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Ep.5 The Devil's Bargain By Jenna Lombardo
Join us on this gripping episode of "When Girls Talk Books" as we unravel Jenna Lombardo's "The Devil's Bargain," a tale that masterfully blends horror, mythology, religion, and the raw emotions of family dynamics.
Explore with us the sinister world of Vincent, James, and Lucifer. The dark interplay of horror and manipulation, set against a backdrop of Lucifer’s grand designs, promises to keep you on the edge of your seat. Tune in as we reflect on the powerful, intertwining themes of divine conflicts, familial love, and the anticipation of what lies ahead in this dark, enthralling saga.
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Hello everybody and welcome to episode 5 of when Girls Talk Books. I'm Kylie, I'm Suzy and today we're going to be covering the Devil's Bargain. And this is by Jenna Lombardo, and she is a small author that reached out to us on Instagram to see if we would cover her book and we said absolutely, we will. Full disclosure. We did purchase these ourselves, so it's not like we can't, we're not biased. Yeah, I did go ahead and ask Jenna for just a little bit about her and kind of why she wanted to write the book, any inspiration behind it, things like that, and this is what she had to say. She said at the core, the novel is a story of parental love, family dynamics and how far parents will go, or should go, to protect their kids.
Speaker 1:Thankfully, I have never experienced this type of loss felt by james, but as a mother of two, I often think and worry about all the horror in the world and the best way to shield my girls from it. My oldest daughter is autistic and she's the love of our life. Though there are a lot of struggles that accompany the situation. I know my husband struggled early on after her diagnosis and this informed some of the broader strokes of James' character. This is seen in how James struggles to cope with Billy's loss and the regrets he has about himself as a parent. The theme of parenthood is seen in how Michael, abandoning Liz and Karina, destroyed him, how Liz, putting Karina up for adoption, scarred her, and how Lucifer is ultimately a child who feels abandoned by his father and older brother, and how Azazel will do whatever is necessary to keep his family safe. Even Vincent is motivated by the loss of his sister and becomes a surrogate father figure for Karina.
Speaker 1:My husband and I were both police officers who transitioned to teaching at different times, and I was able to draw on both our experiences to the job to try and add a level of realism and to certain scenarios based on old cases. I have a lifetime fan of dark fantasy, horror, supernatural, supernatural and mythological stories, and this inspired me to tweak and play with some of the mythological theod. I'm gonna mess up theological. Thank you you, tropes.
Speaker 1:This was a passion project of mine, something I've always wanted to write, despite having no formal writing training and even being able to afford an editor and having no marketing budget. The setting of the book is also very personal to me. I come from an Italian-American household, from the New York City metro era and this experience inspired me to use the city and surrounding areas as a backdrop for each story. Each location is based on a real place and people who I know in New York City or a long time will be able to recognize or relate to it. Yeah, I thought that was really interesting. I love how she brought in a lot of her real life stuff into the story and even like certain cases and things like that.
Speaker 1:That's really cool, yeah, so that's a little bit about jenna, so shall we get started.
Speaker 1:There is there was some spoilers in there as far as what the story is um, so, with the devil's bargain, if you couldn't uh tell it has a lot to do with bargaining with the devil or Lucifer, and to me, as some people might say, I struggle with faith, so this was very much a story to me. So I know that there are a lot of annotations to certain things that are in the Bible and there's a lot of that kind of stuff that goes on, but off, to me it's just a story, yep, so, um, I really enjoyed it. If we're going to be, honest it did.
Speaker 1:I was in a really big uh book rut. What is that book hangover like? Really bad, because I had read the women before this so it took me a little bit to get into it and then, once I was into it, I was into it and it's so fast paced like once it gets going.
Speaker 2:It's true, yeah, I I had not struggled, but getting into it because, being raised a super christian kid, it was a little bit confusing. Because I'm reading it not that I like, it was just weird for me because I'm reading I'm like wait, that's not part of this. I'm like it's a fictional story. That's the point. You can mix it all together, but my brain was like no that's not who you are.
Speaker 1:See. I don't have any of that. So I also had to get a little lesson from Susie about what all of this even means. So I I learned a lot.
Speaker 2:We had to bring out the big guns, this episode, for some explanations.
Speaker 1:But I definitely had the fortune of just being able to.
Speaker 2:yeah, I feel like it would have been easier to read this book, like that.
Speaker 1:Because I had no Shut that out.
Speaker 1:I had none of that, so I was like, okay, yeah, sure, moving forward Sounds great. Yeah, one thing that I really liked about this is I didn't feel like there was any wasted chapters, like everything kind of tied together, and it felt like just each chapter you were getting like a puzzle piece to like fit it all together. So I really enjoyed that, because sometimes with books they can feel like, oh my gosh, I get it, or like what was even the point of that which I didn't feel like this book? There was no filler chapters. Yeah, exactly what was your star rating?
Speaker 2:probably like, probably a four out of five, like three or four out of five mine was a four.
Speaker 1:Okay, I really liked it. Like you said, it took me a little bit to get into it, but I did enjoy it, and I, me too, had the privilege of not really knowing any Bible stuff about it.
Speaker 2:So I do like that because this episode spoilers coming. I did like that I guessed Mickey's character, like I didn't. So as soon as I read it I was like we got an archangel up in here and I'm like, oh.
Speaker 1:OK, right, so I also rated it four stars and I should share.
Speaker 2:There is going to be a book two and she said that's coming out in december of this year oh okay, because when I got to the end last night was not ready for a cliffhanger and then I was like there's gotta be more and there was no release date, so I'm like how long are we gonna have to?
Speaker 1:wait, yeah, uh, so I will be getting book two so I enjoyed it enough where I'm going to continue the story for sure. Our story starts with. There's quite a few characters that have a lot in the book. The first one is going to be James and he's a detective. Lot in the book. The first one is going to be James and he's a detective, and so our story starts with James and they're in court for a sex trafficking case and the perpetrator, hector, ends up getting away with it, and I didn't really understand. There was something to do with the evidence and it wasn't reported properly.
Speaker 2:It came down to like a clerical error about when the report was filed and the order of how it was filed, and that guy's slimy lawyer, I mean, did his job, but it's just like.
Speaker 1:He got away with it and James felt destroyed essentially by it. The family is like this is all your fault to him, blaming him, and he like leaves and he goes to the bar and we learn a bit about him and his son, who is autistic, passed away a while ago. I would assume at this point One thing I never, maybe I just missed it how did the son die?
Speaker 2:All that it was said along the book was that he was like murdered.
Speaker 1:He was like taken from him. Yeah, there was never any and the guy was never caught, that's correct.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there was never like a clear. You know his son was.
Speaker 1:This happened. Yeah, there was nothing specific.
Speaker 2:Okay, that I could remember. If someone else read it, come tell us, correct us in the comments down for it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the son had passed away and the wife is gone and he's just like really put himself into his job. He's a broken man, for sure, and so after the court, he goes to the bar.
Speaker 2:To drown his sorrows.
Speaker 1:Like you do, and this gentleman comes and sits next to him and essentially offers him a deal of if you can find me this girl which he's been looking for as well within his job. Her name's Karina. If you can find her, I'll bring your son back.
Speaker 2:I mean, he's like, oh yeah, man sure, I imagine like someone coming up to you and sitting next to you and being like so, if you make me this deal, I can bring back this mysterious girl and be like excuse you.
Speaker 1:First of all, why are you sitting next to me? There's a whole bar here, like personal space, dude, I don't know you. So he offers him a deal If you bring Karina to me, I will bring your son back, billy. And he's like yeah, sure, dude. And he offers him a drink. So he's very big on to make deals. He like offers him this special cocktail that he just whips up out of nowhere, um, and james is like what does it hurt? Why not? I'll make the deal. And so he drinks. And then he has like this searing pain in his chest and then he's like what did you do to me?
Speaker 2:and he's like you made a deal to the part that made me chuckle. While they're doing this deal is when he hands him the drink and he's like well, why are you handing me a drink and lucifer goes? Sorry, I left my fiddle at home.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, so this is lucifer and he is charismatic, which seems to be a trend, oh yeah of him always having that charisma charming.
Speaker 2:He's the funny manipulator, yeah, yeah yeah, he's really funny.
Speaker 1:So he ends up leaving and essentially james kind of thinks this is fake and so he's like he made the deal.
Speaker 1:But then he's also like I don't know if this is real, um, and he leaves, essentially because lucifer leaves, so he like heads out. So then we cut to Vincent, who is our second main character, I guess you could say and he's at a restaurant and he's also a priest. So he's a priest, he's at a restaurant, a priest, yeah, and he's waiting for an appointment and he like has this lavish meal and he's like, who knows, this could be my last meal of my life.
Speaker 2:I might get murdered and I was what the heck is happening. My brain was spinning reading this part. I was like who are you?
Speaker 1:literally, literally. And it ends up being he is purchasing a girl from hector who just got off on charges for sex trafficking. And you come to find out that the reason why is because hector had killed his younger sister when he kidnapped her as well vincent's younger sister he's on this revenge thing, so he's like a vigilante mission he's a vigilante priest, essentially my favorite like, let's go, like well, is it really bad if these people are doing bad things?
Speaker 1:essentially, it's kind of like his whole motto in life at this point. So they're at the restaurant and Hector is very antsy, let's get this done. If you screw me over, I'm going to kill you, not blending in no, not playing it cool.
Speaker 1:And Vincent to me was kind of like in this particular scene, very like suave yes In a way, I agree Very collected, and so they go out in the back and he takes a girl and then he kills Hector in the alleyway, essentially and so the girl is freaking out, she doesn't know what's happening, and he's like you're fine, you're fine.
Speaker 2:Can you imagine what like? Because her she's taking everything at face value. Trunk opens Priest, murders someone.
Speaker 1:What? In the pouring down rain? Because, of course. So he kills him and she's like, and he tells her like, get in the car, you're fine, you're safe. Excuse, you're fine, you're safe, excuse you. No, I haven't been fine since I was taken. Okay, literally, this poor girl. So he takes her and he puts her in her car. And then you also see james in a different scene, because this goes back and forth between james perspective and vincent's, like every other chapter, and so then you see like james actually drove by and saw it happen. And then also satan is there, lucifer sorry, I don't know if there's a difference there, but that's two different names?
Speaker 2:yep, okay, so same guy, lucifer, is satan. Okay, lucifer was the name he was given by god, okay, while he was the favorite angel, so that's why he has. And he had a beautiful name, he was adorned and gorgeous, and so then he, when he was banished to hell, he became Satan. This is all just my understanding. This is not the only way to like. This is not. This is just what I was taught and how it goes, right.
Speaker 1:But he still goes by. Lucifer Yep In this book, correct? Okay, so he's also there and he walks by and he's like oh see, you finally did what you've been planning on doing, essentially. And he's like who's this guy? And then they leave and it's very like okay, all right, no repercussions there. So then you cut to james and lucifer shows up.
Speaker 2:And Lucifer calls him Jimmy, which he hates.
Speaker 1:I picture him showing up and being like Jimmy and he's like don't call me that. Nobody calls me that. Besides my ex-wife and he's like how about a drink? And he's like I don't want any more of your drink. And he's like, well, too bad. And so he essentially like, winnows himself to James' apartment and has a drink. And he is kind of there to make James realize that this is real, like he really is Lucifer and this is real.
Speaker 2:He can make this happen. Can you imagine being the devil having to prove yourself?
Speaker 1:I mean it seems like he's making deals left and right, like even in certain scenes with random people, like there was clearly a deal made of some sort and he's a recruiter. Like the amount of people in this book that he has going for the same thing is kind of insane. Like it's like you're helping this guy because I don't believe this guy is actually going to get it done, so then we're going to recruit you. He does a lot of recruiting and he's good at it, clearly. But he says if you can sit here and not move for one minute or 30 seconds or whatever it is, then I'll bring Billy back, no matter what, even if you can't get me, karina, I will bring him back. And he ends up turning into like this beast.
Speaker 1:And then there's billy, like the operation of him was so, so creepy, and like the kid is just being mauled, essentially, and he's watching this and so he does move because he's like what the heck is happening and he ends up yelling billy, and then it's like broken. And he's like see, told you, I got some abilities, and so it was really just a ploy to get him to believe that this is real and it's like okay, got it, I'll do it then. Um so then we have another main character main main-ish, I would say, he's actually more of a sub-character and that's Lucas.
Speaker 2:Ah, yes.
Speaker 1:So Lucas is Hector's younger brother, and so you really find out like the whole point of what they're doing. So they used to do just regular anybody, everybody they would take. And then Lucifer ends up hiring them, essentially for blonde hair, blue-eyed girls, and before they do anything they take them to him first.
Speaker 2:so he's on the hunt for a blonde hair, blue-eyed girl and uh, and james thinks there's a serial killer like out, hunting down, hunting blue-eyed girl yeah, never been more relieved of brown eyes than reading this book, like we're safe, good to go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so lucas is the younger brother and he is like psychotic, like he's got joffrey vibes oh joffrey.
Speaker 1:Literally he's like psychotic and he's like not really allowed around the girls, like he's not allowed to go downstairs, but hector isn't back yet and so he's like, screw it, and he goes downstairs. And this is when you start to find out that this is all run by lucifer, essentially. And, uh, he ends up beating one of the girls for sticking up up to him because she's trying to protect the other girls, and it's really, this whole situation is really horrible. But then Lucifer shows up and is like, hey, can you go track down this priest for me, because he's got the girl that I'm looking for? And he's like who the heck'm looking for? And he's like who the heck are you? And he's like I'm your boss. What do you mean? Who are you? I'm pam. Yeah, yeah, essentially. Then he's like, yeah, you got it. And he becomes like a servant to lucifer, like even at the end he's like my lord, like he is in sad puppy and I think it's because he's always followed his brother and now his brother's not here, 100% a follower.
Speaker 1:That's what I got. Then it cuts to. There's a lot of cuts here and it all kind of like goes together, but it's like you have to know this to go to this yeah.
Speaker 1:So Vincent ends up telling Katrina, karina, karina, karina, karina that they're going to go get the other girls, because she's like there's more, it's not just me. And he's like, okay, you can trust me, let's go get them and help them out. And she's like, well, lucas is there. And he's like, who's Lucas, the younger brother? He's there, but they go, he goes into the building and they go downstairs and all of the girls are dead In excruciating ways.
Speaker 2:White, New and Old Testament fashion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I wasn't sure if this was Lucas or that Lucifer did this. I wasn't sure I honestly Lucas or that Lucifer did this.
Speaker 2:I wasn't sure. I honestly think it was the brothers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because they were.
Speaker 2:I'm sure there was influence or maybe he was given an idea, but like this book does a good job of describing that these guys are the epitome of evil themselves. Yeah, and I'm pretty sure he did it.
Speaker 1:It just felt really biblical to me.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, which is kind of why I thought maybe it was lucifer I'm sure it was like he told them like or like finished it off. It seemed there was definitely some gross touches because, like for that perfect of a crucification, yeah, that's kind of what I was like.
Speaker 1:Is this the only way?
Speaker 2:they could have done it anymore like copy and paste out the bible as if they had like been upside down. Oh okay, another, I mean as if it wasn't bad enough. Yeah, so buckle up with this book.
Speaker 1:Make sure you got a cozy blanket and a support animal while you're doing it because you just kind of read through that stuff a little quick and then the one girl is actually still alive but they can't save her. But they did try, and so reasonably so. Karina is a mess and she's sobbing and she's crying because all of these girls are just gone now and um, then she goes upstairs and vincent is like trying to get the rest of them down or something like that.
Speaker 2:Cover them, at least shut their eyes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, be respectful, be very respectful and lucifer shows up and he essentially offers vincent to hand the girl over and he'll bring back his little sister. So he does this deal with a lot of people. It turns out it's kind of his thing and he's considering it because, a he just met karina, if we're going to be totally honest, yep, yep. And B he loves his sister and he always felt guilty that he couldn't save her and he couldn't protect her, and so he's considering it. And then Karina shows up and she's like screaming and he's like what, what is your deal? Yeah, and she can see Lucifer for essentially who he really is.
Speaker 2:And Vincent.
Speaker 1:And Vincent, it turns out, and so it's just. I pictured like this mauled creature, really like an overlay over their face. I don't know, that's what I was picturing. We learned that lucifer can't just take karina because she's under the priest's protection. Yeah, yeah, and so as long as he has faith, essentially he can't just take her from him. He has to either willingly give her up or somebody else has to take her from him, which is where James and Lucas both come into play. All his little pack of people come into play here, pack of damaged people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, then Vincent is essentially no, I'm not gonna do it, and she's like I can't trust you, like you almost just did, and lucifer kind of plays on that too from the office. Yeah, literally, and she's like I can't really trust you bottom line. But then she does trust him, she's. It's really the only person she can actually trust and the lesser of two evils, literally and when she's with him, she's under protection. So it's like what is your other option? You're gonna go out on your own? No, I do appreciate that.
Speaker 2:You know, sometimes in movies, the, the main girl, will be given zero survival instincts. Yeah, I appreciated that she was so intelligent.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was like, yes, okay.
Speaker 2:After that we cut to james fully invested and ready in this action scene to james yep, uh, and james meets mickey.
Speaker 1:Do you want to explain more about this scenario, because I feel like you'll do a better job at it.
Speaker 2:So James goes to a church and James is trying to like get help because he's just scared, and so he goes to a Catholic church, from my understanding, from reading the book and then this Mickey guy appears.
Speaker 1:Who's a priest?
Speaker 2:Yep, and he's sitting there talking to him, and as I'm reading it, I'm going I wonder if this is going to be St Michael. But St Michael, from my understanding, is a whole other person too in Catholicism. So somebody help me out here.
Speaker 1:Michael is a real archangel.
Speaker 2:He was very powerful, but the whole it was a little funky. The gist of it was pretty much there. It was pretty smart and I felt very smart that I predicted that. I was like I'll bet that's Michael and he's trying to explain to James what happened with the fall, but he's sitting in a Catholic church describing it from a different point of view yeah, yeah and then pulls characters from a separate book that is supposedly written after the bible that not even the faith that michael is supposed to be playing agrees upon.
Speaker 2:So I was so confused but it's so cool, like it was such an interesting way to put it that I was like, oh why? Is it pulls from, like mythology and stuff too yeah, like let's pull a little greek mythology in here, let's grab a little old testament, little razzle dazzle of some new testament, like my brain was just all over the place so then, then Michael brings up the story about how there is a Nephilim baby.
Speaker 1:Well, there's multiples, yes, like it seems like any fallen angel, essentially, if they procreate. Then there's these half.
Speaker 2:Which is a huge debate as well. That is, wow. I was even nervous trying to bring it up. Just a general question to my religious family, like, hey, what about? Okay, don't worry, that's a fictional book, I wasn't anyway. Yeah. Which is like, can you just help me out for the sake of a story?
Speaker 2:yeah some help. So then that's when james is starting to learn that basically, lucifer and all these people are after these half-mortal children, yeah, which is kind of what. Hercules was described as a half-mortal. So I was like, is he coming next?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Because they still have abilities, essentially, and so Lucifer is after these half-children to come back to heaven, to blast through heaven really is what it is, because in this story he wants to take over heaven. He wants to go home is what it is, because in this story he wants to take over heaven, he wants to go home is what it is. And then he wants to kill his dad, gist.
Speaker 1:Because he feels very betrayed by Michael, and also by God, for banishing him to pits. Yes, banishing him to hell. Like I said, I don't know this at all.
Speaker 2:And this is three stories wrapped into one. Technically, from the way I was raised, lucifer, satan, doesn't want to go back to heaven. He just wants to be God. That's why he was cast down from heaven. He just wants to be God. So I was like all right, for the sake of the story. I kind of like where this is going, like all right.
Speaker 1:But he's so powerful he wouldn't need this. So that was confusing, because it's also talked about how, like mickey or michael is old now because he doesn't like the, the earth is draining his power essentially just like the longer he's away because there's sin yeah and um, but lucifer is still young, because the people in the world like are worshiping him in a way, because he's like god has failed them, and then they turn to me and so he's really kind of made this whole thing go for him.
Speaker 1:Yep and capitalized on this, yeah exactly he's a hustler okay, he makes it work for him and so he's so young, because he makes people believe in him. It's my understanding.
Speaker 2:Yep, so it's kind of like the santa claus sleigh doesn't fly because it's not enough, because it's not a belief.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, exactly so. He. He tells the whole story of that and he's like okay, thanks, pal and oh and when he gets to the door, the actual priest that's at the church. Who are you talking to?
Speaker 2:And he's like huh, oh, mickey.
Speaker 1:I thought that was such an interesting name choice. Mickey, me, I don't know, but I kind of like it at the same time. Why not Mike? That's what I was going to say, but I kind of like it.
Speaker 2:I don't know a little unserious to it, just my opinion. My favorite was when james was like, like the mouse.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, like the mouse. Okay. So then, as james is leaving the church, he gets a ticket and he's like I'm gonna give this guy a piece of my mind. And lucifer shows up and he's like hey, bro chill.
Speaker 2:It's like when I'm about to be unreasonable with someone and you're like, hey, let's be kind, let's not make any big decisions right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's choose, kindness.
Speaker 2:And I'm like but I want to kill them. And you're like do you want to go to jail? No, let's think about it.
Speaker 1:In this part, lucifer essentially calms him down Remember what you're trying to do. And he also asked james if, when he brought billy back, if he would like him to take away being autistic which?
Speaker 2:did they ever flat out say that he was autistic? Yeah, I think he'd okay, because I couldn't remember either, because as I was reading the book I was having another one. Like am I just so smart? Did I figure it out? Because my notes say james's son autistic question mark yeah, because he's nonverbal.
Speaker 1:That's what kind of made me want okay, I love this part and James says no, because then he wouldn't be Billy and I was like, oh, like, as a parent, I can't imagine if anything had happened to Bash. I don't know what I would do, but I couldn't stand him. Okay, I couldn't like the self-loathing. I can't wait to do the fan cast. I can't protect him. There's like I don't know like the blame of it. You know, there's only so much you can do. Okay, ultimately he never ended up catching the guy, which I understand was probably pretty hard. Um, but I, I didn't like James, didn't love it At the end still didn't like him. I'm like serves you right? I sorry, I just didn't like him. Um, I Didn't really like Vincent either if we're going to be honest.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, yeah, yeah, I mean I appreciated him, but yeah.
Speaker 1:Then Lucifer lies to James and said that Vincent, surprise, surprise, vincent is the one that killed your son. So I need you to go kill him, because at this point he knows that Vincent isn't going to willingly give up Karina and he wants Karina. If you haven't caught on to it. Now karina is the nephilim baby.
Speaker 2:Nephilim, yep, okay, the nephilim baby, and but she's a teenager so not really michael's daughter which is michael's daughter which is why mickey was at the church telling james like about the story, without all the details, because mic Mickey wants to keep Karina safe.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Even though she doesn't even know. Yeah, about anything.
Speaker 1:Yes. Then Lucifer goes to see Azazel, who is his brother and is like really close with him and he followed him in the rebellion and was downcasted with him. So he goes to see him and he is at a campus because he's a teacher now, of course, all right. And this was kind of funny when, like, security is like what's your name? Da-da-da-da-da? And he's like not giving into it. And then he ends up seeing him, his brother, and he's like, oh hey, so he's like not not giving into it, and then he ends up seeing him, his brother, and he's like, oh, hey. So he's like, yeah, he's going to be a speaker for an assembly.
Speaker 2:Whatever Oopsie here, let me come fix this, because you're making a mess, yeah.
Speaker 1:And so they go to the office and Lucifer essentially tells him his plan he's going to use this child to I'm going to take over the world, brother, will you come with me?
Speaker 1:That's literally what it was. And he's like Sure, bro, like we got it pretty good now. Yeah, well, he has a family and he has children and his main driver is keeping his wife and his kids safe. So he says I will help you with this as long as you can guarantee my wife and kids will be safe. And he's like you are living a mortal life. And da da, da, da Like definitely doesn't agree with it and this part confused me character-wise, because I'm like so are they.
Speaker 2:if they're really full fallen angels, they wouldn't really have this capacity to feel those things Like these fathers.
Speaker 1:But they do because, because even they do with each other as well, like lucifer and azazel. That's I'm gonna look at this every single time they have a relationship of brothers. They're brothers and kind of lucifer's whole thing is he's very hurt by michael and his dad. That's the gist of this whole entire thing is he's very hurt and uh hurt little brother that wants to go home he's, and he does say that at some point. I just want to go home and uh if only he had some ruby slippers there's no face.
Speaker 1:I don't think that worked out for him, um. And so he says, yes, I will help you. And so you kind of get a background story of the brother and, like, he used to manipulate people into wars and to do whatever he wanted to do, which is why lucifer is recruiting him. So he says yes, and then he, lucifer, leaves, and he essentially like releases, like this creepy shadow thing was my understanding of it, and so you discover that he is a bad guy.
Speaker 1:Next, vincent and karina are headed to karina's parents house because she thinks that's where lucas is headed. So they show up and vincent said let me go in first. And she said you're out of your mind. My parents are in there and both her parents are dead, and again a very mutilated way, and she is reasonably so distraught about it. And then, of course, james shows up and there's like a shootout, because why wouldn't there be? Karina and Vincent have to get out. They get in the car. They're also shooting at james. Um, their car gets shot a bit, but they end up getting away. So then we find out that james is actually pretty badly hurt and he tells lucas, who shows up to take him to this place. So he's like okay. So I'm going to cut to James' ex-wife, who is a nurse, or was a nurse or a doctor Used to be some sort of in the medical field.
Speaker 1:And she really lost her way after Billy died and she is just a frail person. She has kind of has substance abuse issues and she is having thoughts of ending her life. And how is she going to do that? Because she wants to be with Billy, but she has to go about it a certain way or else she's not going to be in heaven with him.
Speaker 2:And that again only if she was a practicing Catholic. I don't know, because in that faith, if you take your own life you get stuck in purgatory or can't go to heaven.
Speaker 1:So she decides that she's going to go to a cop place and fire around in the air Suicide by police officers. Yeah, they would take her out. But before she does that she's like across the street and then James shows up and he's like what the heck are you doing? They kind of get in a wrestling match over it.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And she says, mind your own business. And he like hugs her and she realizes that he's bleeding Like she's covered in blood from him, yep. So she takes him back to her house, she stitches him up, says you're going to be okay, it went right through the funny part about that part, when she takes him back to her house and her one-night stand is still there.
Speaker 2:He's just hanging out.
Speaker 1:He's like where'd you go, can you?
Speaker 2:imagine just like chilling your Tinder date left and then comes in with someone like half dead on the table your ex-husband. And he doesn't even know that that's her ex. I'm like what.
Speaker 1:And he's like, once he comes to, he's like, hey, you need to go, but those are actually my clothes.
Speaker 2:I need you to get out of them.
Speaker 1:They make him take the sweats off. Yeah, that was pretty funny, um. And then, as he, there's like this lingering feelings, but like they're unsure if they should have feelings for each other anymore. It's like a weird unknown spot, essentially correct, um. And then the door rings and it's mickey and she says oh my gosh, you've aged, you told me that would happen.
Speaker 2:Ex-husband shows up you're trying to have your fling and your ex-ex shows up as well all at your house.
Speaker 1:Mickey is kind of the love of her life, like she describes it as a very passionate relationship. And so you find out that Liz is actually the mother of Karina, who is the baby of Michael. So Mickey, michael and Liz had a baby and it was Karina and then they had to give her up for adoption and he has stayed away from her because he didn't want lucifer to find her nor liz to figure out where she went. So he's essentially like cut off everything and he's felt like a lot of guilt, but he needed to stay away, but he wanted to make sure that liz was okay. So you have that moment and then he leaves. Essentially again, yeah, there's not really much to it, he just wanted to make sure that she just kind of does that a lot Just kind of appears.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but he wanted to make sure she was okay. And then he leaves and then the ex-husband's still there and she's like what is happening? Can you imagine Just a mess of a day? She's like okay.
Speaker 2:I knew I shouldn't have even woken up today.
Speaker 1:Yeah and I knew I shouldn't have even woken up today. Yeah and uh, he also tells her that James thinks he knows who killed Billy, but it's not true and he's going about it like, have you know, adrenaline rush.
Speaker 2:That picture of the guy pointing it out you have to hear it, and so like. I can definitely see from Liz's perspective feel like breath, relax, yeah, like have you slept and he's like you're not.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he's also drinking, and so she decided all of a sudden that she wasn't gonna drink. But she's like sobriety starts tomorrow all right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was all right yeah.
Speaker 1:So, um, we cut to the casino where Lucifer is at and Michael shows up and essentially asks him to not do it. Please don't do this, leave my daughter alone. They get into this mega fight and go through a portal and a casino to this what I picture to like a dog track. I don't know if that's accurate, but there's still like this opening where people are watching them, these two angels, at this point, because they have their wings out and stuff and angels are horrifying creatures.
Speaker 2:Like as they are written and described, you would be shitting yourself.
Speaker 1:Well, I thought lucifer was attractive, so I'm not assuming that it's biblically like michael and archangel theyangel.
Speaker 2:They are horrifying. Yeah, and they're huge, yeah, and like the people would be having a hard time seeing them too because, good or bad, their incredibly strong energy makes it so humans literally can't face them Like we fall down.
Speaker 1:I don't think it's biblically accurate. No, but like no, I'm just picturing men wings. Yes, yes, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:And like a tail, Maybe yeah.
Speaker 1:No, lucifer had one.
Speaker 2:I'm actually not picturing that, but so they get into a fight Picture, like the what's the popular movie Captain America, like when they're all destroying the city. That's kind of what's happening Literally.
Speaker 1:Literally like when they're all destroying the city. That's kind of what's happening, literally, and they're just people are just watching through this portal that they've created. Everybody in society just gotta get this on my snap story, actually. And then michael is older and frail and lucifer is the obvious superior being in this, so he ends up kicking his hiney and he's like I'm falling I felt so bad for him too, for lucifer for michael like when he just got
Speaker 1:ripped wow, and he like puts his hands up and he asked for help, and so he's like if I am truly the favorite or something like that to their father then he'll heal me or restore me or whatever it may be, and then we have a cut.
Speaker 2:Yep, and then goodbye.
Speaker 1:So then we cut to Vincent and Karina and they're on the road. On the road again. They're on the road and he's like we need to stop for the night because this is a film. Let's find a Motel 6. Yeah, leave the light on for us, but they end up finding an abandoned building. Best we can do is an old warehouse, an abandoned building.
Speaker 1:That is tall, I was picturing like marine drive, yeah, well it has like office buildings and so he's like we can find an office to sleep in for the night. This is like um, what is the?
Speaker 2:borrowing the brain cell again with uh pedro pascal.
Speaker 1:It just came out not so long ago connor the last of us. Yeah, it's like the last of us where they go to the building. Anyway, you didn't even watch it, so I don't know why I wasted my time Anyway. So they go into a building that you have no idea what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:I'll just pretend it's an old Costco. Thank you, but it's like multiple stories Big.
Speaker 1:It's still an office building, okay. So why am I wasting so much time on a freaking building description?
Speaker 2:Hey, I was going off about the biblical accuracy of an angel. So you're good that at least portrays to the story.
Speaker 1:This literally has nothing to do with anything. Anyway, just so you really get the picture of what I'm picturing here Back in the boat Building and they go in, they find an office. And they're going to sleep in there, and then it ends up being there's these other people in the building. They're trying to assault karina and they knocked vincent out, but then vincent comes to and they end up fighting.
Speaker 2:It's a big back and forth this would be the scene in the movie where my mom always goes oh my god, how long are they gonna fight for? There's no way someone can break your shoulder that many times, like it's always over. I'm, I'm like Mom, it's just funny. Okay, it's a movie.
Speaker 1:One of the guys takes Karina through a window, she falls, and then Vincent also ends up falling down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Vincent grabs the other guys. They both go flying.
Speaker 1:Everybody's out the window onto the floor, Yep. So they hit the pavement. Karina hit her head. Vincent ended up on top of the guy, so he's hurt but definitely not dead like he thinks Karina is. And then Karina just comes back to life. She just starts healing up and he's like uh.
Speaker 2:That would be so horrifying to watch too.
Speaker 1:I just picture, like Twilight, where she's like becoming a vampire and you get the scene of her ribcage coming back up, like that's what I'm picturing.
Speaker 2:We already passed this part, but I couldn't help myself. One of my favorite quotes from Lucifer in this book is when he goes. You know who I am, jimmy Say it and I was like this is what's going to kill her Bella.
Speaker 1:As if you could outrun me Literally, as if you could outrun me literally, okay, anyway. Um, so karina is coming back. She comes back and she heals vincent and then she goes back into the building where there's one guy left. She like gouges his eyes out and then brings his sight back and then he immediately is like looking at her sexually and she's like, are you joking me? Right now? So she men, like she, becomes possessed in a way it's kind of how it's described and she kills him after that, which she kind of like I don't know if she does this to him, but she kind of like incinerates people yeah, she kind of like she tries to incinerate their soul too, like she wants to evaporate their soul yeah.
Speaker 1:So she's very powerful. And then vincent discovers oh cool, you got like stuff, you know, and she then collapses and she's sobbing because she feels so guilty and he's like they deserved it, you know, for what they tried to do to you, they deserved it. Then we cut back to Michael and I kind of enjoyed this part. So he does get zapped back up to old daddy heaven, but he's not there and he's like where's my dad? And it's this other guy who is Kronos or Saturn.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was so confused by this point. When Kronos comes into the picture I was like who next? Is that in?
Speaker 1:the.
Speaker 2:Bible. No, this is straight out of Greek mythology.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, but I kind of liked it though, the tie-in with the universe.
Speaker 2:God and Zeus are one and I'm like, well, I mean in a way, but no so and but okay, okay, okay, this is my take.
Speaker 1:This might be controversial, but I don't really care right, because I'm really open minded.
Speaker 1:yep, so all religions are different. So I did like how this kind of talked about that like yes, you may know him as god, some people may know him as God, some people may know him as Zeus, or you may know me as Kronos, but some people refer to me, as you know, saturn or whatever. So I did kind of like that. It touched on like all religions are kind of different and they all have different names for things and they're similar, but they could be the same thing, you know, true, because I don't know people. True, because I don't know people go into. Well, my religion is the only one, that's right and there can't be any other stances on it. And it's like okay.
Speaker 2:but if you actually had a conversation like these people are the same and can you imagine how you would feel if someone sat down and tried to say that about your faith? Literally?
Speaker 1:Like let people do what they want to believe in, and that's fine. But so I did kind of like this, even though it maybe didn't feel appropriate to somebody who grew up, I think it mostly.
Speaker 2:Any sense of frustration that the viewers are getting from me is mostly confusion because, like my, my brain was just so confused. I'm like wait, okay, hang on. No, I can enjoy this, but like, hang on, I gotta unpack this, put this back on the shelf and then get in.
Speaker 1:I definitely had the advantage of not really knowing the story.
Speaker 2:I would have given to have a blank slate brain to read this. So, I kind of enjoyed this whole. It was really fascinating to me.
Speaker 1:And then you find out that he is God's dad. Essentially, he created God. And so then Michael has this moment of A. My father is not the only one, he is not the first one, and he's not the last one, like he's essentially been lied to about who his dad was. Yeah, so I kind of, hmm, tea drama. I kind of liked it, oh girl. But he restores Michael to what he once was.
Speaker 1:So now I picture him as younger I didn't fancast him as younger, let's just put that out there. I only did older because that's what I still pictured. So he restores him to essentially convince his brother not to do this, not to destroy yeah, he like not ruin the heavens and the earths, and that'd be great.
Speaker 1:The space and the everything, yeah um, and he says you got it. And then there's like this big explosion or something and he's like you have to go. And he's like all right, okay, and so he goes back down. So I'm only gonna touch on this very briefly, because I really didn't enjoy this whole scene. Um, there's a scene of lucas and he goes to a strip club I I full transparency.
Speaker 2:I had to keep going. Yeah, I had to take a break and then I had to keep going.
Speaker 1:You really find out just how sick he actually is. Um and so, long story short, he pays for back room service and he ends up not only killing her, but then also the bouncer who comes in to check on her. Lucifer, shows up and says you're perfect, you don't need to change anything about who you are and let's go, because normal response to somebody who just murdered two people.
Speaker 2:Right. He's like ah, my little puppy, what a good job. Come on, kid.
Speaker 1:So that happens, but we're not gonna really go into huge detail about it because I really didn't like it. We get it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So we go back to the abandoned warehouse that I talked about for a half an hour.
Speaker 2:Back to the glowing girl. I pictured her like being almost made out of fire at this point, but like a blue fire.
Speaker 1:Go ahead, susie, get your supernatural reference out.
Speaker 2:I was going to make it through the whole episode without one. I didn't even write one down.
Speaker 1:I know it's coming. You know the scene where she's on the ceiling and it's just like fire. So we're back at the abandoned warehouse and Azazel shows up and essentially tells karina, so then he just switches sides because he doesn't think that lucifer switching sides will actually protect him or his family. So he shows up and he tells karina, you need to die, you need to die before he gets a hold of you, essentially because once you die, your power diminishes and he can't use it. And he go, they go on a magic carpet ride and he shows her what is gonna happen if he gets a hold of her.
Speaker 1:And then they zoop back in like that's the raven reference. And she's like you're right, Vincent, you have to kill me. And he's like because again, nobody can touch her, because or no archangel can get her, because she's under the protection of the priest. So she's like you have to kill me. And he's like I can't do it. And she's like no, really, you do, you have to kill me. And he's like I can't do it. And she's like no, really, you do, you have to kill me. And then he goes to shoot her. But then of course, James shows up and while this is happening. Michael and Lucifer are actually fighting in the yards.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, and also Michael's, like Hayley's comet coming down While Lucifer's just big chill in the parking lot Like a comet Michael's, like Haley's Comet coming down.
Speaker 2:Well, Lucifer's just big chill in the parking lot Like, oh shit. Yeah, I did like that moment for James and Lucifer getting to level with each other a little bit while the Haley's Comet's coming. Because he was like look bro, are you even going to like honor the deal and Lucifer's like? I mean, I want to, but like I am the devil.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's big on I'll do what I can. I fulfill them when I can, essentially, which is like that's like the manager's going well, based on the needs of the business. Yeah Cause it's not like he can just bring Billy back. It is.
Speaker 2:He has to complete this in order to bring him back, which isn't it convenient that he left that detail out for James, like poor James, and it's also not just he has to get Karina now, they have to kill her, and they have to.
Speaker 1:Then Lucifer has to absorb the power in order to do this Like it's turned into a whole thing. Yeah, but so James shows up and he points his gun at Vincent and is like drop the gun. And he's like I have to do this, you drop the gun.
Speaker 2:No, you drop the gun. Freeze, I'm a cop.
Speaker 1:No, I don't care, I got to do it, man. And James ends up shooting Vincent. Vincent dies, no coming back from him.
Speaker 2:Yep, Well, I mean he could have if it wasn't for Fork and Karina. Karina wasted her energy.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she could have her energy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, she thought she was going to be able to heal him and she couldn't. I was a little bit like ha ha bitch.
Speaker 2:when she was crying because she couldn't save him, like if only you had gotten control of yourself.
Speaker 1:That's only because you like James. So me.
Speaker 2:I'm like die motherfucker die, you get what you get.
Speaker 1:So she ends up pushing him against this door. He can't get out the door, which then we learn that Lucas is actually holding the door shut.
Speaker 2:I was so pissed when I found out. I mean, look, I'm just spitting.
Speaker 1:I'm so angry You're like well, you know karma, yeah, and then she, she incinerates him. She just is like so hot, she just like melts him into ash, essentially, and then she goes back, she tries to revive Vincent and she can't, and so then she's so she used up all her powers. Yeah, she's all sad. And then we cut to outside and it's Lucifer and Michael and they're fighting and Michael ends up kind of like bowing down to Lucifer in a way and it's like I'm sorry, I'm sorry for what I did and you. This kind of goes into what Jenna was talking about of like Lucifer is just very hurt by Michael and very hurt by his dad, and he has a moment of like I just want to come home, like that's all I want. So this kind of gave him a little bit of humanity to him where michael has to be.
Speaker 2:Like hey, lucifer, like I know you want to like go get back at dad, but like dad's mia and he's not up there excuse me, I've been going through all this work to bust through the gates and I could have just fucking walked up and he's not in there yeah, oh, I picture jennifer. What I picture Jennifer? What do you mean? Yeah, what do you mean?
Speaker 1:And he essentially says I'll try to do everything that I can to let you be allowed back in, I'll talk to dad, I'll talk to dad, who's not there, yeah. And then you get a light and it's Kronos and like severs Lucifer's head, I suppose.
Speaker 2:They killed the devil. What the fuck.
Speaker 1:Well, he's like.
Speaker 2:you thought you're not coming back and I was a little bit like I was so like okay, just get on board, it's just a book, just get on board. But I was like it's just a book, what?
Speaker 1:What is the point? Again, I had the advantage, so I was like dang, that sucks. Lucifer was finally like I don't know coming around.
Speaker 2:Who the fuck's going to run hell. You took the manager away. What?
Speaker 1:now, well, does the manager ever actually run anything?
Speaker 2:No, they don't, they don't do anything at all Me a manager.
Speaker 1:She's a good manager, just kidding. So Lucifer is just dead. And then they come down. Michael ends up killing lucas, even though he said that he wasn't going to, because, oh yeah, he was then chronos tells him to yeah, because he tells chronos like I'll follow you now and he's like you're a snake.
Speaker 2:Yeah's like you couldn't even follow the last guy you were going to follow. And don't think I didn't see what you were doing behind the door.
Speaker 1:So he kills him. And then Crono says get your butt to your room, I'll meet you in 10. Yeah, and he's like I got to take Karina home. And so he takes Karina to Liz, who is just overjoyed that this baby she had to give up when it was born is back. Which I'm like, you have an addiction problem. But okay, we're just going to leave this kid with her, sure.
Speaker 2:As if she hasn't already been through enough. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then Azazel is there as well. In case she needs anything in the future, she can reach out to him because, like, give me a call, karina does have abilities, so and liz is like, excuse me yeah, sorry. And then he just dips out. He's like I'm good what he does, yeah, kind of emotionally unavailable a little bit, not, not well, he did protect her, but not the best father figure. And then we cut to James, you want to talk about your boy?
Speaker 2:I was so confused when he wakes up in hell and he's like running from the demon spiders, what, some sort of being. That was so weird.
Speaker 1:But then he goes. I'm not afraid of you, Cue to Home Alone. I'm not afraid anymore.
Speaker 2:Literally. So then, samael and Lilith.
Speaker 1:Yep Sure, who are just like the board of directors for Hell apparently.
Speaker 2:I guess, yeah, yep. They come on down and they're like why are you being mean to our kids? And he's like Huh, excuse me, you're varmints.
Speaker 1:Yeah's like I birthed each and every one of those.
Speaker 2:Be careful it's just like that one mom on the baseball field that's just screaming. So then james finds out that he had been surviving in hell better than he should have turns out.
Speaker 1:Lily goes, lily goes. He's the one. Yeah yeah, they're afraid of him. Yeah, like.
Speaker 2:Okay, sorry. So Samuel and Lilith apparently are together, which I had to go down the TikTok rabbit hole to learn a lot about that so he is another. There was so many ways to go about it, so like I'm not an expert, but he was sort of an angel.
Speaker 1:You're an expert. In my eyes he was sort of an angel.
Speaker 2:He's sort of a demon. He was a master manipulator. He did a lot of work, not for Lucifer, but like a lot along those lines Lilith. Lilith is a demonic presence as far as my understanding is Like.
Speaker 1:She is the epitome of like, lust, and manipulation and all that I know that and they are together, like in the other religions of world whatever they're together, they are very powerful.
Speaker 2:They do help run hell, which I thought was fascinating they're the council. Yep, the voltory, oh my god, it's true?
Speaker 1:Does that mean she has the red eyes? Yeah, it's Jane and Arlo, anyway.
Speaker 2:They essentially tell James like he's special after all, but there's not a lot of explanation about that, but he's not going to rule.
Speaker 1:What is his name? Samael, samael, samael, whatever he says. Well, I guess I'll be Satan now and it's like all right, fam, but James is piecing together like, well, god was obviously afraid of somebody.
Speaker 2:He's not creating children, he's creating an army, yes, and he points out the little mural things that are the holographics or whatever that's written across the ceilings and he's like if you guys were never meant to hurt each other why the fork do you have? Swords and like why do you have this ability? So he's like using his detective skills to kind of like show the cracks in the story and it was working. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1:It was essentially. God created an army of his children to protect him from something. So what was it? And also lucifer knew who kronos was, because before he died he said kronos, and so he knew who that was, even though michael had like world shattered when that guy was like oh I'm Grandpa, so he's like you need to arm all of your people here and we're going to find out what he was so afraid of that he created this army and it cuts. That's the end of the book. Yep.
Speaker 2:Which I was not. This is the first time a character I've thoroughly enjoyed in a book gets murdered. This was the first time I've read a book that's a cliffhanger without the actual like sequel readily available. Because kylie is december 24th any any time she sets me up on a series. She's a kind big sister book reader and she'll be like I'll make sure you can get that sequel so you can have have it this time.
Speaker 1:I was like what, what?
Speaker 2:the throws it. Yeah, especially because, as I was reading the end of this the other night and I'm like lilith and my fiance undoes his headset like huh and I was like don't worry about it, I was like who's next? Hercules, you're really waiting for him to show up it just seemed so much they were cut and pasting his story a few times I was like who's next?
Speaker 1:Hecate Sure sure yeah, which would be fun.
Speaker 2:I honestly hope in the next book that would be fun, not a clue who that is. We'll go down TikTok rabbit hole later tonight.
Speaker 1:So that's the end of the book, until the second one comes out, which I will be purchasing because I liked it Again. I out, which I will be purchasing because I liked it again.
Speaker 2:So essentially I had the advantage of not knowing anything, so I could just enjoy it. The second book what I'm hoping is what I'm to see is there's literally gonna be like a battle of the titans. Yeah, that's gonna be so cool it's gonna be like fantasy.
Speaker 1:Now, yeah, which, depending?
Speaker 2:on yes please, yeah.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I liked it. I liked the cliffhanger. I was like, okay, this is really fascinating. Like what is this all going to go into? Is it going to be now religion versus mythology?
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, and like that whole. Thing.
Speaker 1:I think that would be really cool, yep. So I think that would be really cool, yep. So if you can just like set aside things, I think it's really enjoyable.
Speaker 2:Yes, if I could have removed the religious stick from thine ass a little faster, I probably would have enjoyed it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, probably Well, you still enjoyed it. I did. Yeah, probably well, you still enjoyed it.
Speaker 2:I did, which also I felt like for me, like I had to be asking you things like what does this even mean?
Speaker 1:like why is this happening? What do you mean? He rebelled, rebelled against what like? Wait, he was special and I'm like, oh yes actually yeah, so I think it also helped you in a way where I had to use you as my resource to figure things out.
Speaker 2:I felt honored that I got to tell her something. I always feel like she's my mom friend. She'll be like I don't know how to do anything. Can you help me? Time for fan cast. Fan cast is if kylie and I were to make a movie out of these books that we read, who would we assign the characters to? And so it. It gets pretty fun too, especially because our personalities can be very different I mean clearly one like james.
Speaker 1:One did not at all.
Speaker 2:Is he going to die yet? So for my fan cast for James Ben Affleck.
Speaker 1:Me too, it was perfect.
Speaker 2:That's crazy. No one plays a disgruntled, passive-aggressive douchebag better, oh my god he's smoking all the time.
Speaker 1:You know it.
Speaker 2:Ben Affleck For sure, michael, I had. I don't know the actor's name, carlisle from it. Yep, Yep, ben Affleck Everywhere. For sure, michael I had. I don't know the actor's name, carlisle from Twilight. Whoever that actor is, that's Mickey Michael. Liz Cameron Diaz I didn't cast Liz, but I almost forgot. Yeah, Karina Lauren German. I think I watched her on the Netflixflix show lucifer. Oh, okay, for lucifer. I put tom ellis, who plays the devil in that netflix show too, okay, perfect. And then azazel I had. I don't know how to say his name. It's the actor from 365 days, yep, mich.
Speaker 1:Michael. Oh, it is Michael, I'm pretty sure. I was like Michelle Marone.
Speaker 2:Yep. Okay, that's who I had for Azazel.
Speaker 1:Okay, I didn't cast some of those people, that's okay, but I'll go to my list. I forgot Billy Didn't cast that. Okay, that's all right. James, I also did Ben Affleck, Vincent. I did Theo James. Oh, I forgot Vincent Because he has a military background. So I was like I can't. He has a military background, he's a little bit older but he's kind of, you know, got this whole thing going for him. So I did Theo James. Karina. I did Ellie Fanning. Good choice, Mikey. I did Ellie Fanning. Good choice, Mikey. I did Carl from Up Hear me out. I never pictured him young. That was okay.
Speaker 1:A war causing archangel, keep an open mind.
Speaker 2:Keep an open mind.
Speaker 1:You're going to look at me and tell me I'm wrong. Nope, thank you. He's got his sweaters on. He is the principal of a school, mean, he's just living his life, okay, okay. But then for lucifer, I gotta pull this up. I did, uh, ian somerhalder, but specifically damon salvatore from vampire diaries and it's a very specific clip of him when he walks into a funeral service.
Speaker 2:I think I know which one you're talking about Probably Because it's golden, this one. Yep.
Speaker 1:Yep, and he walks in Like you're going to tell me that ain't him. Yep, that's him.
Speaker 2:That's good. I like how we both just get lost. Let me just finish this really quick.
Speaker 1:Oh, sorry Me definitely was a Stefan girl when I first watched that, but that was who Lucifer was for me, so I didn't do Liz or Billy. That's all right, or?
Speaker 2:the other guy. At least for once I casted a main female character as blonde yeah, you're rubbing off on me, even though she has brunette hair.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yep, all righty. Well, that's all I have. Do you have any final thoughts?
Speaker 2:no other than just really curious what the next book is yeah, waiting for book two, jenna yeah really curious what the next book is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, waiting for book two, jenna. Yeah, well, we appreciate you reaching out. We enjoyed it. I enjoyed it yep, I would recommend it to someone I would recommend it if they can keep an open mind. If there are somebody who is like very strong in faith, I probably wouldn't, but that's. It all depends on what people, everybody's different.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I liked it and I had never read a fictional story that even had like a detective or police anything like. Usually I would look at that kind of book like boring, but this really good.
Speaker 1:okay, full disclosure. That is one of, like, my hard notes, a detective book. I usually can't stand because it seems like it's the same story every single time and I just don't care.
Speaker 2:normally this I enjoyed, so that was cool to get to open our eyes to a new genre.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Well, I just detective books are just not my thing usually. So I yeah, even though I really still didn't like James, but it had so much other stuff going on the book itself. Yeah, yeah, that's it for episode five, I think.
Speaker 2:Thanks guys for watching yeah, like subscribe, follow all that fun stuff all the things right if you're on audio.
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Speaker 2:I need to learn how to say thank you.
Speaker 1:In German, is that a VPN? I don't know, but you know, either way, we'll take it. We're all. We've gone international. Yeah, time to go quit our jobs. Yeah, done, so anyway. Thank you for listening. We appreciate you and stay tuned for much more to come. Again, if you have any recommendations, feel free to always leave them in the comments, or if you have any thoughts or anything, let us know. I'll comment back.
Speaker 2:Yep, she will Okay, bye Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye you, you, you Thank you.
