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Ep. 12 Daisy Haites by Jessa Hastings Ft. Jordan & Allysha
Ever found yourself tangled in a web of unspoken emotions and complex relationships? That's exactly what we explore as we unravel the chaotic yet fascinating dynamics in "Daisy Haites," the second book within the Magnolia Parks universe. Join us and our friends Jordan & Allysha as we rate the book, ranging from three to five stars, and share our thoughts on how the art-dealing and gang-related themes bring a fresh vibe compared to the original Magnolia Parks narrative. Julian stands out as a memorable character, thanks to his portrayal as London's most dangerous man, and the Audible narration only amplifies his presence. Some of us hit a snag with the book's footnotes, which disrupted our reading flow, especially for those digging into the physical copy.
Diving into the world of Daisy and Christian, we get caught up in a cycle of unspoken feelings and emotional immaturity, echoing the dynamics between Magnolia and BJ. We highlight the lack of direct communication and how it spurs toxic cycles, drawing parallels between their intricate relationships and the real world. Julian, though Daisy's brother, emerges as her platonic soulmate, while Daisy's connections with characters like Romeo and Detective Tiller add layers to her story, creating a complex tapestry of love triangles and trauma bonds. These tangled relationships lead to debates about authenticity and depth, making us question who ends up as Daisy's true match.
Our fan-casting segment adds a fun twist, as we imagine Hollywood stars bringing these characters to life. From Madison Beer and Priyanka Chopra for Daisy to Chris Evans as Tiller, we let our imaginations run wild. As we consider the actors' past roles and their fit for these personalities, the conversation sparks excitement and agreement among us. With all these elements combined, this episode promises a lively exploration of the Magnolia Parks universe, offering insights and entertainment for both fans of the books and newcomers alike. Join us on this journey through love, chaos, and the captivating world of Daisy Haites.
Editing done by Connor Luther @clfilms.co
Music by @thundercatlouis
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Hello everyone and welcome to another story time with Wynn Girls Talkbooks. I'm Kylie, I'm Susie and look you guys, we saw it. We saw the fan edits. We got the comments, we got the DMs and so we brought them back. We're joined again with Jordan and Alicia. Oh, I'm really curious. What were the comments?
Speaker 2:I'm like wait a minute.
Speaker 1:You're like where are we going?
Speaker 2:with this.
Speaker 3:They were like actually don't bring them back.
Speaker 1:It's me making the fan edits okay, it's like unpopular fan edits, okay, yeah.
Speaker 4:Unpopular debate, unpopular opinions no, no, when we find two other people that will put up with our weirdness. We can't not.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean Connor was a hard sell. We really had to sell him on us.
Speaker 4:We had to be on our best behavior for a while, months, months, and then we just slowly started to unzip the suit.
Speaker 1:I feel like that's kind of been the trend with the podcast in general. Just unmasking a podcast we started very like na-na-na-na-na-na-na, and now we're like this has be a joke, like we're just way more comfortable.
Speaker 4:It was like oh, hello jackie, and then are you kidding. That's not fair. I need to calm down.
Speaker 1:I'm an adult literally all right, so we're gonna be continuing our magnolia Parks universe with. Daisy Hates.
Speaker 4:Yes, here we go. Here we go. The messy of messies, let's let's get into it.
Speaker 1:Time to unpack.
Speaker 2:Dive right in.
Speaker 1:Oh, cutters, I'm just like making direct eye contact. So I think we should start with our star ratings Um First.
Speaker 2:Shoot. What did I give this? I'm pretty sure I gave it a three.
Speaker 4:That's okay.
Speaker 2:I gotta be honest.
Speaker 4:I gave it a three, that's fine, I think I gave it a three.
Speaker 1:I think that's what I gave the first one, yeah, and that was higher than I thought you were going to do. Yeah.
Speaker 4:What was yours? This time I'd give it a four. Oh I'm sure, sorry, yeah, no, this time for sure I'd give a solid four. I really I like this one.
Speaker 3:I did too, I did too. I gave it a 4.25. Very custom reading, to be exact.
Speaker 1:To be exact, I gave it a 3.
Speaker 4:Wow, she doesn't give a lot of 3s.
Speaker 1:so that's and we'll get into it. We'll get into it, and I think I have a lot of good reasoning why. Also, I read this months ago and couldn't remember a single thing about it, so I did have to refresh. No judgment which tends to be like a I don't know if it was that good then. If I have to completely like I couldn't have told you anything if that happened. So this definitely like it has a completely different feel to Magnolia Parks.
Speaker 2:Thank, God Completely.
Speaker 1:Because the Hayes family is into like art dealing and they're definitely got their little gang going on and Julian Was the only thing that made this for me. I'm gonna be so for real. I love Julian.
Speaker 4:He's pretty great. He'd do B that man. Have you listened to the Audible? Who his character? Oh, the narrator for Julian. Wow, some of the best narrators they've had for like a series, I'm like, finally, finally.
Speaker 2:I didn't listen to this one on oliver potterville alley.
Speaker 4:Did you oh, you did, oh yeah I had to because I cannot keep all these people straight like my brain. Nope, that's fair. There's a lot of people I end up having to reread so much that my eyes hurt by the amount of like re-backing up and up and wait who said that and who's screwing who and who's the sibling, and who's that and like ugh, I have.
Speaker 1:I think this is why I didn't like this so much. If you're reading the physical, the annotations for this pissed me off, so badly.
Speaker 4:I feel dumb. I was like what are the what's the annotations? It's like it'll say the little things at the bottom. Yes For like commentary at the very Okay yeah, because I read like the first hundred pages of the book before I switched to audible first.
Speaker 1:That literally made me want to pluck my eyeballs out.
Speaker 4:It was annoying.
Speaker 1:But there are some that like get, so I'll find one for for you, where it's like what kylie is taught, like what kylie is talking silly, that's outrageous silly.
Speaker 3:Yep, yeah, that drove me bonkers. Yeah, what the heck.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm glad I've listened to it then because I feel like if I read it like physical copy I probably wouldn't have gave it the rating I did because you have to like same you're literally reading and then it has like the number, and then you have to like come down here and find the number, like drill, it pulled me out big time so I have my physical copy.
Speaker 2:I will say the footnotes were a lot easier on the kindle, because on the kindle you can just click on the footnote and you're like, oh, okay blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 1:Whatever, I probably would have skipped, it, there were a couple.
Speaker 2:I was like do I even care?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. So that I think that was probably one of my biggest complaints with this, because I love like a mafia book Sign Me Up a hundred percent and I think I would have liked it more if it didn't have those footnotes in there. That was really hard for me. So Julian is the most dangerous man in all of London and that's kind of brought up in Magnolia Parks of like you mess with him and we're all like what if we do? And then the main person is Daisy, who's his little sister, and Christian. Oh Christian, oh Christian.
Speaker 4:I felt I personally felt a little bit like manicky because I'd be like Christian and then I'd be like Jesus, fucking Christ, christian. And then another chapter be like oh, christian, like Jesus Christ bro wait, my first eye roll of 2025 fucking Romeo. Wait, my first eye roll of 2025. Fucking.
Speaker 2:Romeo, but I felt the same way with him.
Speaker 4:I'm like oh Romeo.
Speaker 1:We're all now Romeo For the love. So when we start out, daisy andian are already friends with benefits, and I think with daisy and christian they I, somebody had said this and I wrote it down they are people who hurt each other for the other person to admit that they like them. And that drove me crazy because it wasn't all a pool of toxicity and like. The biggest thing is like because, because I love Magnolia and BJ, I will die on this hill. Magnolia and BJ at least admit that they're in love with each other.
Speaker 1:And they want to be together and like it's just all the things that are going on. That's preventing it and, yes, it's their own actions. But with Daisy and Christian, if you guys would just suck it up and admit that you like each other and tell the other person His emotional immaturity and pride is why this book is so long. Yes, like that was really hard and I also felt like Daisy then using Romeo to kind of like prevent herself from going with Christian, like can I couldn't wrap my head around it.
Speaker 4:The purpose self-sabotage is very immature and very yeah ew, david no.
Speaker 3:I agree. No, I agree too, because, yeah, it's like with Magnolia and BJ, with how obsessed they are with each other. And you know, we kind of went through all that last book. But with this one, yeah, it was like their monologue of like, oh, I really love her, oh, I really love him, and there's that whole back and forth with each other, but not admitting it to that person, how they felt I was like you guys are going to drive me up the wall it's like they're.
Speaker 4:They're so enclosed in themselves. And then my problem with Magnolia is she needs everyone to be in love with her because she's so insecure, and Daisy's just as insecure, but she implodes instead of explodes like Magnolia's, like they're both.
Speaker 1:It's just like but they both kind of have the same thing of like everybody's in love with Daisy at the same time and Daisy I think these two characters are Extremely similar, these are the same character in different font and like you were saying, you just like Daisy's font better and I think that's valid. Yep, but like everybody's in love with them, they Kind of do get with everybody, like daisy definitely has a past.
Speaker 1:Both of them can get anybody to do anything that they want them to do and I think the biggest, I think what makes them so different is the way that they grew up. Daisy julian raised her and she's also in a very different environment of there's a lot of crime, there's a lot of security, risk, things like that that make her more mature. For one like, the things that she likes to do are very simple, where magnolia had this very like her family was like somebody to be known, and she grew up like kind of a party girl. I think it's just different.
Speaker 2:She grew up a lot more sheltered than I think that Daisy did and, as we learn and it's funny, you talking about Magnolia and Daisy being the same characters but in different fonts, and I think that that's something that such an early age forced her into maturity yeah, and pushed her to really see Sorry. Sorry, good call, good call. Use the quotes. There's not a whole lot of maturity in this book, but it forced her to grow up so much earlier so much faster, and it also causes her to see the world in a different way than Magnolia does, for sure, For sure.
Speaker 4:I think there's just a lot of similarities where, like when you're breaking down the core of what they're how they act, the stupidity behind it like they're the same girl and I really didn't notice that in the first book and it's so fascinating to me how different a story can be from someone else's perspective. Yeah, and I always like, yeah, okay, but this book is like a light bulb when you do that, whoa daisy's book doesn't even like literally.
Speaker 2:So the way that this series works. I mean, until we started, like learning where we were in the story, I didn't even realize that it wasn't simply yeah, same, yeah, anyway.
Speaker 4:When we finally got to the fighting on the street, I was like oh, I remember this. Okay, this is where we are.
Speaker 2:Oh wait, a damn minute you start remembering different things and like hearing things from different characters point of views and you're like oh, yeah, yeah, oh, that happened, that happened, yeah.
Speaker 1:And we see a lot of like christian and daisy like at in the beginning of the story. Christian is still kind of in love with Magnolia and you see him use Daisy to make Magnolia jealous, but she doesn't really care, and that kind of like sets off this cycle of toxic of well, now Daisy's gonna go and do this thing, because Christian did this thing to impress Magnolia, but then Daisy caught on to it. But Christian can't just tell Daisy that he likes her and Daisy can't just say it that he likes her, and Daisy can't just say it to Christian.
Speaker 4:So then we're just gonna go over here Very passive friend group Kylie would quite literally never allow me to behave this way for this long. No, no, no, I don't think that Allie and I would allow each other in this group or circle of friends to behave this way either.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, I would have slapped time ago and then like get it together.
Speaker 4:yeah kylie would do it. Okay, sit down. Okay, respectfully. What the fuck are you doing? I love you. What are you doing? Like it was very your friend and I am sitting to talk about this. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:We don't do this.
Speaker 2:It's giving you, girl. I did forget how much I appreciated Christian calling Magnolia out on her BS, and I do think that he did that in a very honest way. There's that scene where he goes to see her and he's like you need to get a grip. Yeah, you are full of it, her, you are absolutely full of it.
Speaker 1:Get a grip. I think it's such a hypocritical moment.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:I think it's such a joke and I think this is where a lot of my back and forth comes from Christian. I don't think I like Christian's inner dialogue. Oh, I can see that it's annoying as hell the whole crybaby.
Speaker 4:Woe is me. Who do I choose? You don't like BJ's.
Speaker 1:Yes, because of BJ's inner monologue. He loves Magnolia Like he really really does in the heart of hearts.
Speaker 2:Okay this is going himself more than anything else.
Speaker 1:So I I had a really, really hard time connecting with Daisy and Christian. I just did, if we're gonna be so honest, I think I was. I was even more into like Daisy and tiller, give me that cute. Like I to like Daisy and Tiller, give me that was cute, give me that that was fun. Like that was pretty fun. I had a really hard connecting, connecting with them and I felt so like what is wrong with me, because I know a lot of people love Daisy Hates and a lot of people love Daisy and Christian and I think it's more of the vibes, honestly. But yeah, I was listening to an interview with the author and she had the same exact thing. She literally published it and went and talked and was like I don't know why they don't have this like spark that bj and magnolia do, like bj and magnolia are soulmates, they are you can feel it like they just are and daisy and christian don't really have that they do to a level.
Speaker 2:I see that.
Speaker 1:But the way that she said it is, that's not Daisy's soulmate. Daisy's soulmate is her older brother, in like a different way obviously, but like they have that connection, it's not so much about them, it's more about her and Julian. Versus Magnolia and BJ, it's very obvious that this is who they're going to be with, honestly. So I felt very validated about it because I was like, oh, thank goodness.
Speaker 4:Like I'm not weird, not even the author likes these two together like cool.
Speaker 1:Well, it's not so much she doesn't like them together, but like it's just different. It's just she doesn't feel it as much and she talks about like we don't know who Daisy's gonna end up with, where you kind of get the vibe. It's it's BJ and Magnolia and it could be Christian, but it could also be Romeo and could also be Tiller. Like there's different people that she could potentially end up with which are all valid, like she has a very strong connection with Romeo, like very and that's. I think a lot of it is trauma bonding, but like I I almost think they have a stronger connection than Christian and I would agree with you no.
Speaker 4:I agree with you on that 100%. I was like I think that um no, like the storyline of uh, daisy and Christian. I love that. That kind of whatever's happening like the vibes of it yeah but I agree with you that they're not soulmates, these are not each other's forever. But I also don't think that BJ and Magnolia should be each other's forever. I think they're just fucking foul together. It's just gross. It's fucking gross. But I can't stand her.
Speaker 3:She's such a little narcissist. I just can't.
Speaker 4:I can't do it.
Speaker 3:No, but just to go back to kylie's point, though it definitely I feel like has a lot to do with the trauma, because bj and magnolia have the trauma of like they were young, when they were, you know, they got pregnant. They have betrayal trauma and then with bj cheating on magnolia, like all of their toxicity that they have with each other. That's what brings them closer together, and also more so with like the baby that they lost.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:With Daisy I feel like I agree, because Christian doesn't really feel like he fits in that picture, but I could see where like her and Julian are.
Speaker 3:Julian are like these soulmates because they have that trauma together where they literally witness their parents get murdered um and then her and Romeo, I feel like would be more like the soulmates because they had that traumatic experience with, you know, that guy coming in and you know, with all of everything that happened with Daisy and when her and Romeo were together, and like he even brings it up sometimes too, Like he wishes that never happened, he wishes he did things differently and so like I could see more. So where, like the trauma bonding with them would bring them closer together. But yeah, like no, I agree, I just yeah, Christian just doesn't seem to fit in the story anywhere, so it's just kind of like a weird third player in all of this, like this whole world, and it just doesn't make any sense to me, I guess.
Speaker 4:I agree, yep.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's just weird.
Speaker 1:Which I think the storyline could probably like develop, where we get more with Christian and things like that. Yeah, alicia, have you finished this series? Almost okay. Okay, I knew you were ahead.
Speaker 3:I'm almost done with the fourth, with the fourth book, okay, so I but I had to like pop my brakes because I'm like, okay, hold on, I'm gonna do it for myself.
Speaker 1:Um, and I think a lot of like Romeo and Daisy is there. I think those two are very similar to Magnolia and BJ. They're like childhood sweethearts. They've been through a lot together. Theirs is much more like death kind of trauma, bonding Like they've had a lot of close calls and like that's I don't know Like. I just had a really hard time with it and I think I felt really bad for Romeo during the book, honestly, because Daisy's using him to extend herself away from Christian. And then, specifically, the scene of he's like what are we doing? Like when he thought they were together, and she's like oh no.
Speaker 4:But if he'd have done that to her, she would have fucking flipped her shit and gone on about how cruel I was, like she would have went back to christian yep, like, or tiller, I mean hey, I'm just saying he's an option.
Speaker 4:That's been my favorite and like I'm being sassy, but like it is. My favorite is this book is everybody is exclusive, but they're all banging each other at the same time but like they all want a girlfriend or a boyfriend. And then someone's like I'm in love with you, I want to be your girlfriend. They're like sorry, I'm fucking four other people right now, like I'm not gonna stop that for you.
Speaker 1:I'm like guys um yeah, so kind of we should. Romeo, I guess we should probably touch on if anybody go ahead.
Speaker 2:Yeah, start there.
Speaker 4:Romeo is family friends with the hates family. They all do a different kind of. If I understand they all. It's a different kind of crime. Everybody's got a different flavor, like one person's into the arms, one person's into art, one person's into regular smuggling. So wednesday stuff yeah yeah, just an average week.
Speaker 4:Um, after their parents, after daisy and christian's parents are unalived on the beach. Julian, daisy and Julian Sorry, yeah, julian. I don't remember how it all started with Romeo and Daisy, to be honest. I just remember that every time they're together it's heightened because they both are like part of dangerous families and powerful families and all the other bad guys are trying to make a mark on these two because they're so powerful together. They've been together on and off since they were really young.
Speaker 2:Right, so a lot of so from what I remember.
Speaker 4:I'm too busy hating on other people. I guess to like remember.
Speaker 1:She's like, and then Christian shows up.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and then nothing else matters.
Speaker 2:But from what I remember, so like they yeah, daisy and Romeo grew up, they were like kind of childhood sweethearts, blah, blah, blah. They go through a couple of like close calls I think you mentioned Kylie where like near death experiences, lots of trauma bonding, but they kind of stuck together through it. The crux of their story, though, is that julian daisy's brother basically sent romeo away and was like no, you guys are too dangerous it's too dangerous.
Speaker 2:He's gonna go off and do his own thing. Daisy, you need to move on and like do your own thing, yeah this is when he oh okay even goes through like his own process of it, like, well shoot, I'm not even at a couple at one point or another he's like wondering if he made a mistake yeah, like oh shoot, should I have done that to them, like because it was?
Speaker 4:really terrifying. And when they're 16, romeo tries to get Daisy to run away with him. Yeah, so they could just start their lives together.
Speaker 2:And then all happened with Julian, Like Daisy comes to see Romeo and he's like we'll just leave, We'll figure it out, We'll go to Brazil wherever they can't find us um also, uh, romeo cheats on her with tabby every man in this book cheats every one of them.
Speaker 4:Um yeah, cheaters.
Speaker 1:Volume two cheaters, yeah, I four. So that's kind of mentioned in like the very beginning of like Romeo's the ex and he cheated on her, and also what Julian said. And then they're like it's like okay, but like they talk about like what happened Because of what happened, just Julian no longer allows them to be together, like it wasn't this thing over here that did it, it was got it okay, right, and he cheats on her because she sat on Booker's lap and kissed him, because he was like talking to a girl and touched her face or something, right, yeah, so we have to go to extremes, obviously, yes, yeah, obviously yes, um, so then also tiller, we should probably like talk so him and we get a new character a little bit.
Speaker 4:I like him. I did too.
Speaker 1:He was cool, I was a fan um, tiller and daisy have like this very flirtatious well, she's very flirty to him and he's like, yeah, daisy, okay, detective Tiller is investigating Julian he's a coppa, as they call him in the narrators and so he's like always trying to like get information from Daisy of like, oh, where was your brother last night? And she's like, well, you're looking mighty fine. And he's like, yeah, yeah, daisy, like where was your brother last night? But then, like through the story, he kind of like softens towards her and then does end up being like I do like you, but things are messy, so I I hope he comes back me too, I hope they have a storyline.
Speaker 4:I would love a little bit of that kind of spinoff.
Speaker 2:I love him and as much as I want him back as well, I'm also like he might be too good for this world.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, but like that's what Daisy? Wants.
Speaker 4:Daisy doesn't want to be in this world like that's kind of more what I think about Bitch and moan that she's bored.
Speaker 2:Also true.
Speaker 4:She likes the ordinary. I've always heard that from people that have never lived an ordinary life.
Speaker 1:She likes to do laundry.
Speaker 4:Oh gosh, yeah, sure you do, all right. Yeah, that's why I'm like you know what I'd love to be a rich person. Let me try that out for a little bit. If it's so awful, let's switch spots.
Speaker 1:Yes, like that's how I felt it was like, oh, like poor rich girl, like just wants to do laundry, and it's like shut up. Like I felt so disconnected, like nothing's stopping you from doing that right now.
Speaker 4:Yeah, or like he right now, yeah, or like he takes her to a grocery store that was so boring, whatever. Oh my god, yeah, talking about a boring date, what part was boring when christian and daisy go on their like regular people date where he basically takes her to run errands all day and I'd have been pissed if I was her.
Speaker 2:But the but the part that I did swoon at and that I did think was cute was when he taught her to drive yeah, yeah, that was cool that was cute was when he taught her to drive.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that was pretty cool.
Speaker 1:That was very sweet. They weren't even together then, Yep that was sweet.
Speaker 2:Well, they're together but they're not together. I did think that was cute. I'll give you that. High thoughts, though, and her idea, or her definition, of ordinary is so convoluted it's so different from what we would. I don't know what ordinary people do, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1:So also at some point, like when Romeo comes back, he definitely thinks that him and Daisy are going to be together now and that she needs to kind of get rid of Christian, which is an odd thing. Like, hey, back in town, you and me, pal the audacity.
Speaker 1:I felt like that was kind of weird but then at the same time, once you get like more into their story, I felt like it made sense, like they've always kind of had an on and off, on and off relationship. So I think for him that kind of made sense for him to come back and be like oh, yep, what's this like? And she does like christian, so it's like hard. So then the breakfast scene where he's like I'm going to take her out to breakfast, and then Magnolia shows up and she's like are you kidding me? And then he sees Daisy at the club with Romeo and he's like, yep, this chunk was the hardest part for me to get through, because like, oh, hey, yep, guess what? And now Christian's gonna go off and do this thing with this other person, okay, yep.
Speaker 4:And then Daisy's gonna lean back on Romeo because Christian pissed her off like I think also a lot of of you and I are very much. You know if we want something we're going to go get it. So you and I are like we can't imagine wasting time going, or like the long way through a friend group to get to one dude Like if I like that guy, I'm going to go get that guy. Like what is this?
Speaker 2:Well, and I think that the only reason that all of that was in there is like that's also when you start to realize, like here's what's going on with these characters, while you already saw and knew what was going on yeah, 100 percent magnolia and yeah. So from book one you had, okay, here's what henry is doing, bj is doing, magnolia is doing, and then now you're like, okay, so this was all going on at the same time.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And what's funny is it happens on multiple occasions in the book too where, like when you're reading from a particular character's point of view and then they're filling in another character and they're like oh wait what I'm like? Yeah, because y'all are. You can't keep up with each other.
Speaker 1:yeah, specifically like I remember very vividly in magnolia parts like the scene where daisy and christian are at the club and she's like, yes, she's like I'm gonna take r, take Romeo home tonight, because guess what I know, tonight Romeo's not going to be thinking about Magnolia, fucking parks and I was like, oh, pop off. Yes yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. Then you're like oh, I remember that, yeah, yeah, I remember that in Magnolia and I was like, oh, something's happening behind the scenes. So it was kind of cool to get the behind the scenes of like, because at that point Daisy and Christian definitely like each other but they like walk in or something, and she notices a shift as soon as he sees Magnolia. But at this point it's not so much like a yearning shift, it's definitely he's starting to resent Magnolia and he has like a lot of hatred really for her, which is like the weirdest thing, weirdest kind of rightfully so, my dude, because she strings you along like a goddamn puppet, so like almost like he does to daisy yes, okay, yes, no, exactly, yep, um, so I don't know.
Speaker 1:I think like he, I don't think I like christian, and I really hope he has a lot of growth because, like he's doing the same things that he hates in Magnolia, but he's doing the same thing and Daisy's doing the same thing. They all just are doing the same thing, but then looking at each other, judging the other person well, they're all young sex addicts, so it all kind of. Daisy has a problem.
Speaker 4:But here's the thing Daisy and BJ are both for sure.
Speaker 2:The same character, but just in different fonts. My question to you, though, is would Magnolia change a light bulb though?
Speaker 4:Oh hell, no, no, no, that's true. She might like break one of her nails.
Speaker 3:She'd call three boys to do it for her so that she could like decide which one she was gonna sit on their shoulders to fix it finally, probably.
Speaker 4:It would just be a ladder made out of men.
Speaker 1:And her, her very specific type of stiletto.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and then just a disc. Daisy, she'd be like, and Julian, my light bulb's out, so, like you know, I'll roast them both.
Speaker 2:I don't even own a pair of stilettos, but listen To like have so much money that it's ridiculous that, like you, don't even have to think about those things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it's the same thing with Daisy.
Speaker 2:I think Daisy would have just had one of the guys to do it, mm-hmm, yeah, and they call her big brother. You and I miss that. I was like would Magnolia Parks change a lightbulb?
Speaker 1:Nah, I don't know, but Daisy did. I think that also comes back to Daisy wanting to be ordinary or enjoying the ordinary things. I think that's probably where that connects. That was why I shared that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I like that. Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 1:So Christian also goes to Amsterdam what a dumbass. And he kisses the most beautiful girl that he's ever seen, and he says it right in front of Daisy.
Speaker 4:I thought Magnolia was the most beautiful girl he's ever fucking seen. So what did Magnolia go to Amsterdam? No, I think this was probably like the boys' trip, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because BJ hasn't happened to going to? Amsterdam, when him and Magnolia haven't fallen out.
Speaker 4:Because I guess BJ Was BJ on that trip with him, which they do, or is that just the Netherlands trip?
Speaker 3:I know, but I mean okay, that's just me, I don't know.
Speaker 1:It's a lot of boy trips, I guess when you're like, how old are they? They?
Speaker 3:have a lot of money. No, jobs?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I guess. So then of course, daisy says well, fine, I'm going to go to Italy with all the boys. And Christian's like what do you mean? You're going to go to Italy with all the boys. And that's exactly what she does she goes to Italy with all the boys.
Speaker 2:And that's exactly what she does. She goes to Italy with all the boys.
Speaker 1:I'm going to just whisk off to Italy tomorrow, right, why not? Because we're ordinary.
Speaker 4:Yeah, how's that going to go for you, Daisy?
Speaker 3:Oh, let's take my private jet.
Speaker 4:No, let's take my private jet. You think she's going to fly southwest when she's ready for her regular?
Speaker 1:life, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4:She goes through her first tsa list and she's gonna like have a breakdown yeah, um, and then there's one room short.
Speaker 1:This is one of my favorite tropes, so every time. It's always in a book and it's very like I think it's a very comfortable moment where you realize that, like, romeo and daisy are very comfortable. Like it's a very comfortable moment where you realize that, like, romeo and Daisy are very comfortable kids, like it's not even a thought for Romeo for one of like, oh well, daisy and I will just share a room. Like we'll just share our room, that we always share. And Daisy's like okay, but he's not my boyfriend.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 1:Because she likes Christian. Yep, Totally Because she's a dumbass. And then Henry, Tara and Jonah, our OG crew Yep.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:They're like in a thruple Yep. Essentially, that whole thing was kind of odd it was a little weird.
Speaker 3:It was yeah, I didn't like that very much.
Speaker 4:I didn't really get it. I cared so little.
Speaker 1:I've already kind of spaced it Like, yeah, anyway, back to Well, there's the moment where they're all like giving Christian a hard time and then they're like oh, why don't you just kiss Tara?
Speaker 4:Because apparently oh yeah, that was her. She's just like property, I guess. And then he's like he like goes and he's like inches from your face.
Speaker 1:I can't do it. And then he can't do it, and then he realizes that, or he learns that she's in Italy with Romeo.
Speaker 4:Gasp, the girl that's not my girlfriend that I push away, went somewhere without me.
Speaker 1:With her ex-boyfriend and they've been in love since they were 10. You did that gasp I thought of like gasp in Spanish I'm telling about us.
Speaker 1:Oh my God. So then he's having like his panic attack Back in Italy. Daisy almost gets drugged. They take care of that guy, and then they run into Tabby, who Romeo cheated on her with, and then she finds out that they were together not that long ago in New York before he came and visited her. So then there's a screaming match and she leaves, and then he follows her, and then, of course, how do we resolve arguments? They hook up. That's what you right. She do problems, oh yeah. And then, uh, she christian finds out about that. Does she tell him? Let me check my name?
Speaker 2:he asks her if her and romeo got together and she says yes, that sounds right, that sounds right, yes and then, um, she has this thing whenever she's with Romeo, like, add a thing they.
Speaker 1:Where did they go? An art thing, I would assume, and she's like thinking about christian, but she's with romeo because we have to do this all over again. So, again, if you could just say it.
Speaker 3:Life would be so much easier for you if you could say it, if he could say it please just say it, get on with it because then she also have like moments, like moments where, like, when she's with Romeo, she's thinking about Christian, but then when she's with Christian, she's thinking about Romeo, wasn't there? Like some of? That happening too.
Speaker 2:I wasn't happy with that I don't know if that's like exactly how it was, but if I remember correctly, like it's like it is like she's comparing them. Like it is like she's comparing them here's. Here's this connection in this history, this relationship I have with romeo, and here's this connection in this relationship that I have with christian. Here's the pluses and the minuses, the advantages and the disadvantages of each of them and and to your point, yeah, like she's probably thinking of them at, like you know.
Speaker 1:With the other.
Speaker 2:On time Maybe, but yeah, one of them.
Speaker 4:she kept saying she had to keep making herself keep her eyes open because she would only think of Christian and I'm like that's icky.
Speaker 1:That feels weird, that's gross, don't like that. So they're still doing this dance. Christian goes to Greece we saw that in the first book how that all went and then he really starts to hate Magnolia when they're in Greece, because she's with Tom, but BJ's there, he's seeing all the things that Magnolia's putting BJ through.
Speaker 2:That's why I'm over here like, does she really really?
Speaker 4:Yeah, but BJ's there, she starts seeing all the things that Magnolia's putting BJ through? Mm-hmm. That's why I'm over here, like does she really really love BJ, or does she love how much BJ loves her? Does she even know what her soulmate is? I won't disagree that they'll probably end up together all the time, but I don't think that they're any less horrifically toxic than the others.
Speaker 1:No, I think they're probably more toxic, but I do think that they're gonna. I think they're meant to be together Because, if that's the point, everybody loves Magnolia, everybody's in love with Magnolia and has this devotion to her.
Speaker 4:She manipulates everyone into loving her.
Speaker 1:so, of course, I don't know, because they talk a lot about like any time. It's the same thing with Daisy any time they walk in the room, like everybody is just infatuated with them, and so I think they have to. And why is?
Speaker 4:that Because they dress and behave a certain way and flirt with all the men in a custom way to get them each to be infatuated with them, so they can feel better about their insecure selves I'm talking about like strangers strange. Yeah, I thought you meant just like they could walk into a room and everybody's like turning their heads for them.
Speaker 1:So I think, okay, that makes sense I think, if, if that was the case because I mean, christian is in love with magnolia, tom's in love with magnolia like somebody else is in love with magnolia that I won't say right now, bj's in love with Magnolia like all these people are in love with her. So I think if that was the case, if she didn't love BJ but only loved how BJ loved her, I think she could have been with anybody or could have kept going back to anybody.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:If that's what she's looking for, Okay Anyway. Anyway's a fair point. Anyway, they're in Greece. Christian hates Magnolia at this point Really doesn't like what she's doing, which I think we all kind of agree. That felt weird.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:With the whole Tom BJ thing. We'll have to revisit that, but A little bit. But, viewers if you want to revisit it. That was in one of our episodes, yeah. And then at the same time, romeo and Daisy are having a conversation about Christian and Romeo really wants because at this point they're hooking up really wants her to end things with Christian and he goes into like this whole thing about, like it's you and me and I don't understand how you're not getting this And's a phase for you and that's very obvious.
Speaker 2:So what are we even doing, which is kind of well, and it's shortly after that too, that like Julian finally gives his yeah, green light, like he talks to Romeo and he's like all right, like I know I told you a while ago, obviously to cut things off with my sister, like you can't be with her yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm telling you now that, like I trust you because I think it's also after um the drink, the guy in Italy putting stuff, putting something in her drink, and then, like Julian, really seeing again just how Romeo is there for her, yeah, and so that's kind of a turning point, yeah but then in that same conversation, she tells Julian she's in love with Christian and he says that what do you say it like could be a mistake, or he could be the love of your life.
Speaker 2:So right, right yeah so we're back to square one, yeah and kudos to him, though, like he leaves it to Daisy to decide yeah but he also understands kind of a conundrum. She's putting others in yeah, yeah, to that effect, to that point, similar to Magnolia yeah, mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:And we have a weird moment where somebody is saying something really derogatory towards Jack, which is Daisy's best friend, who's gay.
Speaker 4:Yes.
Speaker 1:She like gets in because she's she's like that and she just takes care of it herself. And she like gets into this fight. Christian gets mad because he's the one who's supposed to protect her. Whatever, she can't take care of herself, apparently. And then he like goes and kisses another girl for absolutely no reason.
Speaker 3:You know, and it happened so much too and it just drove me absolutely crazy and it's I think that was something else that I was having a bit of an issue with is like they think that Daisy couldn't take care of herself yeah but this, this girl can, she can take care of herself, no problem. She's had to do it since she was little.
Speaker 3:You know, she, I don't know, but yeahian just drove me crazy and I was like yeah I just I wanted, I wanted to like him, but then there are times, like I said earlier, where I'm just like dude, like you're, get your head out of your ass do you think he's a scorpio?
Speaker 4:sorry, because he's so emotionally back and forth. Any Scorpio man I've met does that a lot. Gemini maybe? Oh, that'd be better.
Speaker 3:Right, and I feel like out of anybody who would be able to actually really take care of Daisy and he's shown it is Romeo. Yeah, because he has been with that girl through so much, and I don't know, christian's just a big old baby to me.
Speaker 2:Big man baby yeah.
Speaker 1:And Romeo loves Daisy, loves Daisy. Like that I felt like was so clear of like it doesn't matter what's going on, like Romeo loves Daisy, and like whether it works or whether it doesn't, which he definitely is collateral damage in this whole thing and that's why I felt really bad for him. I do think he's annoying sometimes but I think at the end of the day, like he loves Daisy, he thought they were getting back together and then she kind of pulled a 180 and was like, oh, that's not at all what this is. And he's like, what do you mean? And like we've been together for weeks, what do you mean? So I had a hard time with that. And it's like in Italy.
Speaker 1:And then after, like, towards the end of the book, it's the same thing that she does kind of like the same thing to him of being with him and then being like, oh, we're not together. And he's like, what, what do you mean? So, yeah, so then after that, christian takes the girl back to her house that he kissed Okay, gentleman of the year. And then he goes to Daisy's house and finally admits, for the love, this is like halfway through the book that he likes her and then he, which, okay, I will say I did like this scene where he's like he tells her like yeah, we're together, yes, I'm like. Finally, where she's like, well, why does it matter? We're not together, and he's like well, now we are, yeah, and I'm like yes At least, dear God, they better be this time, is my note.
Speaker 4:Their normal back and forth seems to maybe be coming to an end. My next one Will question question ever become self-aware?
Speaker 1:No, and then he's like I just want to be with you and it's like, well for the love. Finally Like, oh my gosh, so now they're together For a minute, for four seconds.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I was about to say like for a minute Till Tiller comes by. I love him.
Speaker 1:I do too. I Tiller comes by. I love him. I do too.
Speaker 4:I liked him a lot. I was actually bummed. There wasn't more of him Same, I wanted more.
Speaker 1:Because guess who I would be going for. No, just kidding Julian. I would be in that office every day. What's going on? Hey, putting feelers out, what's going on? So this is where they have their normal things. Date, which we already kind of touched on Christian schedules this whole date. For him rents out a laundromat. Okay Cool, you ever been to a?
Speaker 4:laundromat. I know I pictured the one that we're most familiar with.
Speaker 1:You want a snack out of the vending machine. You want a snack out of the vending machine. And then there's this moment. Something happens that makes Daisy's feeling uncertain about it, and Christian gives Daisy the heart necklace that Magnolia gave to all the boys.
Speaker 4:Yeah, she noticed it on him and she picked it up while he's wearing it. Yeah, that's another reason why I'm not a fan of Magnolia. Who the fuck does that? She gave one to all of the boys? Ew, I know, that's why it's fucking weird. You won't pick one, but you'll get them all.
Speaker 3:But yeah, I mean, possessive sounds good too. I didn't like it.
Speaker 1:I gave the boys retro Game Boys this year for Christmas. That's cool, you're nothing like her.
Speaker 4:You're nothing like her. Your friend group is nothing like her. You're triple the woman she'll ever. Be damn it. Don't you doubt that.
Speaker 2:Like the only other extreme you could have taken to. That would have been that the necklaces literally said like property of yeah, like what's next?
Speaker 4:She's going to put her like lip, her lip print on them all, probably Like it's just her marking her territory, and that's what I didn't like.
Speaker 1:I think the fact that it was a heart made it weird. Yeah, yeah Just in general.
Speaker 4:I think if it was Key chains would have been less fucking weird for her to do than like a neck.
Speaker 1:A necklace that's a heart. Why don't you go get?
Speaker 4:Redding ring tattoos together.
Speaker 1:It's a little less weird that she gave it to all the boys. If it was just him, then it would have been a whole other thing Agreed. And then Christian says that he loves Magnolia but he doesn't like her. No-transcript. We're moving on, apparently, from that this time.
Speaker 4:My third one for Christian of the Day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so there is a. One of our biggest scenes is the art gallery setup, which.
Speaker 4:What a hot mess. Oh gosh, had they never done a heist before?
Speaker 1:Well, hey, let Daisy know what's going on. Hello, there's a start. So Julian's like Daisy, we need you to come on this job with us. And so her and Christian are supposed to be like as a couple looking for art for Julian and Julian's there, but they're like not together. And then, like these people come in and everybody gets like held hostage I guess, and then the one guy kind of threatens tiller yep, daisy retaliates.
Speaker 4:It was like two gangs accidentally intersected to do the same crime on each other. Like you didn't tell me you were coming to this museum, you told me you were going to that one. Like I wanted to rob this one you're like.
Speaker 1:So then daisy is like oh, this is a threat, tiller's gonna die because she likes Tiller, and so she eliminates that threat. And then Julian's like ah, that was the plan, and now that was like an ally that you just took care of, and so now it's a whole messy messy, because his.
Speaker 4:the voice the narrator that does him is like very deep voice. I imagine him growling like you, fucking winka, because he's so British and he has a very dark, like deep voice and I was just cackling to myself.
Speaker 1:And then now Tiller is in love with Daisy because she saved his life. So I mean of course, hard eyes.
Speaker 4:Okay, no, I was just rolling my eyes that someone else is in love with her and she's gonna like Somehow fuck it up. She's gonna somehow Fumble this again Like Cause she's a dumbass. He's a lot more subtle About it, though, and I just like him a lot Me too, I mean. So far, far, his character. He's just great. Yeah, yeah, we're all.
Speaker 2:I think we all have hard eyes for Tiller yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, definitely so. Then Daisy meets Christian's family. They're all very kind, very sweet, but the way Christian prepped her Was not at all.
Speaker 4:Yeah, christian prepped her like he was going, like she was going to see the meanest mother-in-law ever, like okay, well, like my mom knows no boundaries and she's gonna figure everything out yeah, a dream which I thought that was so cute.
Speaker 1:Yeah, especially because she doesn't have a mom. Her mom didn't even want her, like she has mommy issues, bad time. So I was like, oh, that's sweet, that's nice I like that.
Speaker 1:I was relieved too, like okay, good, like this, this part can go well so we get to see kind of like the trauma bond between romeo and daisy when it comes to like the mafia get together, whatever, and there's an attempt I think it's technically on daisy's life because of the retaliation that just happened um, and she runs to romeo and they kind of like shut down together and christian's like I've never seen this like this feels weird. And then one of the guys is like it's just a reflex, like it's just you know, that's always who she's run to. It's not. You know, don't read into it, it's never gonna be you, bro. Well, I think he's trying to like calm him down of like it's just a reflex, like don't, don't overthink it, and he's like, yeah, a reflex.
Speaker 2:Well, okay, but also at the same time, in the scene that you're talking about, wasn't he also in like, a completely different like area?
Speaker 1:I think they were all in different areas, but she ran to Romeo, like I don't think they were like right next to each other, but she definitely, kind of like subconsciously, made the choice to seek out Romeo versus to seek out Christian, her boyfriend. So it's kind of yeah right, I thought it made sense. That's kind of a reflex. Yeah, especially in a traumatic thing Like your brain has .1 second to decide, like what you're doing.
Speaker 4:And it could have honestly been. She just saw romeo first. I also think yeah, I agree with you percent and add to I think it's a lot of the subconscious as well. Like subconscious, she can preach the mountaintops I love christian, but her subconscious just wants romeo, yeah yeah, I mean, and it definitely goes back to the trauma, trauma bombing.
Speaker 3:You know, like you said, when there's danger, there's something happening and there's, you know, this potential of christian has a terrible way of being there in bad situations too.
Speaker 3:He's not good at that when it comes to like things like that happening, like I don't blame her for, like her first thought is like romeo, he's gonna protect me, he's protected me in other situations. Yeah, if he's gonna protect me, he's protected me in other situations. So I'm just gonna go straight to him and like I don't blame her for that, because where has Christian ever been for her? You know what I mean? Yeah, him, like in my head I've been wrestling with how I feel.
Speaker 3:I know like again, he's a big crybaby and it's like I just can't see him protecting her like Romeo protects her and I don't think that he would ever take a bullet for her. I don't think he would ever jump in front of a car or train for her. Romeo, a thousand percent, would, in a freaking heartbeat. But Christian just doesn't give that vibe. Yeah for me. So that's why I don't blame her at all for just mentally being like okay, romeo, like you're my safe space.
Speaker 1:I'm going to you well, she also says like romeo's her safety blanket. So it's very similar to like tom became magnolia's like oxygen mask, of like seeking that comfort. I think it's the same kind of scenario with romeo. Besides, she has the. I was gonna say that, yeah, history like finding mbj, but um, again, I don't know guys, romeo might be the choice here. I'm just gonna say romeo might be endgame, yeah he might be.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna say it.
Speaker 1:I don't think it'll happen, but maybe, oh, yeah, I think, um, yeah, I don't know. So then we have this underlying story of Julian's clients are not paying him. Julian's client isn't paying him, right, right. And so what are we gonna do about it? No, no, no, do about it. We don't know. You just know that this client isn't paying in full, so we have to do something about it. So then we also have Julian's birthday party, which we also get in Magnolia Parks, because he invited Magnolia specifically. Daisy andian don't know that magnolia was going to be there. They walk in. This is where you have the reaction of christian seeing magnolia and then daisy's like he's never going to be over her.
Speaker 4:oh yeah, she that like girl at your brother's birthday party.
Speaker 1:That's when you're gonna like go ahead and be like all right and she like doesn't really even, because at this point she's like he's never gonna be over her, like I'm done with this. So they they're together for a whole 0.5 seconds, yep, um. And then that's when she like goes to romeo and says can you please take me home? And he's like yeah, and then christian's like what's going on?
Speaker 4:and she says I was too busy checking out this other girl to notice that you were upset. What's up, babe?
Speaker 1:Well, it's like his point of view. It's not even that he like like his reaction was like he doesn't want Magnolia to be there, like at this point he doesn't like her as a person, and so she kind of misconstrues it, as he still has feelings for her, which he kind of does, but whatever, and then is like, immediately I'm gonna go seek shelter over here with Romeo because he's not gonna be thinking about Magnolia parks and that's my best, like Daisy moment.
Speaker 1:I'm like, yeah, exactly, exactly, even though that's not at all what's happening but yes, we were like we love where this is going girl yeah, and so then she breaks up with him, and then Christian realizes he loves Daisy after that typical man baby and so then I'm gonna be honest, I didn't like this. Magnolia or not Magnolia, goodness, daisy uses Romeo for weeks to get over Christian foul.
Speaker 3:Yeah that was a little wrong.
Speaker 1:Non stop uses him yeah, disgusting.
Speaker 4:Okay, I thought that was really gross. I didn't like it, it was wrong. It was gross and wrong because she would have written a whole book going off about how one of them did that to her.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:So, yeah, I think it's gross and it was just like again goes back to my previous statement that I think she needs to enter a program to get some help. Yeah, I think she. Her and BJ both.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there was like that was a bit much, and that's the biggest thing is like she's hurting Romeo, yeah, and it's really wrong. Romeo thinks they're back together, but she's just using his body essentially to get over Christian, and I didn't like that at all.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I feel like that part definitely dragged out too in my opinion I kept hitting every 30 seconds.
Speaker 4:You know, fast forward 30 seconds like yep, yep, okay, next yep.
Speaker 2:Got it and I think that part of what made it worse is when we're in Daisy's point of view, she acknowledges that it's wrong.
Speaker 1:Yeah you.
Speaker 2:She acknowledges that it's wrong, yeah she. She fully and completely validates that it's not something she should be doing, or that's okay, but she's just gonna do it anyway yeah, and then at one point like tiller shows up and he's like whoa, are you okay, like? And he just kind of like lets her be, but real rough. Yes, from everyone's point of view yeah and then.
Speaker 1:So one of daisy's biggest rules is you don't mess with kids, and julian knows that. But the team feels like they need to get back at this guy who's not paid by kidnapping his kids and holding them for ransom.
Speaker 3:Logic right, like just kill him, also logic I'm glad that we're on the same like wavelength, suzy, because I was literally thinking the same thing.
Speaker 4:It's so elaborate. You're spending more money trying to get your money back.
Speaker 2:I absolutely 100. I had that thought too, where I was like what, why are we getting kids involved? You're, you're worried, obviously because you see he doesn't care about his wife. Why don't?
Speaker 4:you just do something to him. Yeah, you think he'd care about his kids all right'll just end the misery.
Speaker 1:And they follow through with that. Oh later, which I was just like.
Speaker 1:Julian, we have rules. He gets like unhinged. He does he kind of snaps. We got to talk, hold on. He does so throughout this book, in Julian's point of view. He's always texting somebody, like telling them, like when things are maybe not so good, I don't know, I don't know. She does, she knows so and I think there's other things happening that's kind of making making him unhinged. Oh yeah, sorry, mm-hmm, oh wait, wait, huh, that you don't know about. Oh, ok, I think there's probably there's other things that are going on. That's like like he's imploding essentially, but like exploding at the same time, like he's got a lot going on. He's having a lot of things happen and I got it guys.
Speaker 2:I figured it out Julian's in love with Tiller. There you go. You cracked the case.
Speaker 4:Yep, Now that honestly give me that storyline.
Speaker 1:You're so funny. Also, tiller is kind of like breathing down his neck, not in that way, but like the police are kind of worried, horrifying. Oh, that was good, that was so funny.
Speaker 2:Should I send it? Jessa Hastings, I got something.
Speaker 1:I've got a plot twist for you. We need these two to end happy. Oh, that's funny. You're running out your idea for book six. I got you. Yeah, girl. So Christian finds out about Daisy and Romeo, and then Christian and Romeo have a fight because masculinity, oh yeah. That's when Romeo realizes that Daisy's using him, and that whole scene is very heartbreaking to me. That was true. Like he's so upset and he's like crying and he's like I thought this was it and what are you doing with me? Like what is happening. And then Daisy feels awful and it's just just, it's very sad, and then Bromio leaves.
Speaker 3:So yeah, that's where my, my 0.25 rating came into play was just because of, like, the emotional aspect of the book, because we had like listening to that part where, like he realizes that like he's just being used was like so hard to hear, yeah.
Speaker 3:And then like going back really quick to the beginning of the book when her parents were murdered on the beach and just like that whole like description of they were just going out there just to have fun and then you know they were murdered and all this stuff and you know. So I cried so hard during that part. And then I cried when Romeo was like it clicked with him that he was just being used, um, so yeah, that's why I gave it that, because it was just really emotional and I know a lot of people don't like Romeo, but I had a lot of sympathy for this guy.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think I need to clarify what I meant about. Like I don't love Romeo, I don't love that he's in a relationship. Like I don't like that but, I, don't think he's a shitty person. Like the other guys are just kind of shitty people, but like Romeo's, just I'm like because he's boring.
Speaker 1:I think he's kind of boring you, just love.
Speaker 4:Christian. You're like I love. I love the story with Christian 100%, and I think Christian's a fucking dumbass, but I think he's so much more fascinating to listen to his sad boy back and forth. What's he gonna choose this time? What dumbass mistake you gonna do this time?
Speaker 1:like oh yeah, I think also like the backdrop of it is much different, which automatically makes it more exciting. Yeah, when something bad happens for romeo, I'm like, but he's a nice guy, I'm like fuck around and find out so then, of course, after daisy and romeo go their separate ways, daisy ends up uh, finding declan, who's julian's right hand man, and they get together and then they're both immediately like julian can never know about this and uh, surprise, surprise, julian like immediately finds out about it and he puts Declan in the hospital.
Speaker 4:I'm so glad he's at home and thought about this.
Speaker 1:clearly, this is where like the unhingedness comes in. It's like he's losing it a little bit and he puts him in the hospital, but then they make up very quickly afterwards, because yeah, I just can't the way they so subtly and casually do it.
Speaker 1:I'm like okay, like right, right, and then Tiller and Daisy have their moment of like, tiller admitting he does like Daisy, but he's not going to go there, essentially Like he wishes he could, but also Daisy's kind of a mess, and so he's not gonna do that, which I was like man, give me something here. I was like so there's a chance.
Speaker 4:You're telling me that there's a chance.
Speaker 2:Well so, and we do get a little bit of that then once finally, like Tiller brings Daisy in a little bit more into his investigation, like Tiller brings Daisy in a little bit more into his investigation and he's like hey, like here's what's, here's actually what your brother has been doing, yeah yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:And what's been going on? Daisy and Christian have a moment at church because that's the appropriate time to reach out to your ex-girlfriend, right? Yep? And they essentially just have a fight and it's you know, I've. He's like what have you been doing, daisy? And she's like I'm trying to get over you. And it's a whole dramatic thing outside the church, really, because they end up going outside.
Speaker 4:This friend group likes to fight on the street. Yeah for real.
Speaker 1:And then Christian finds out about Declan. That's a whole thing because uh-oh. And then at the New Year's Eve party which we get this in Magnolia Parks as well, the New Year's Eve party which I loved but they kind of finally start to have a conversation and then Christian says like I love, and she's like absolutely not Get out of here, like leave me alone. And then she yells for Miguel and it says that he's hurting me. He's hurting me, you need to get him away. And I thought this was kind of sad.
Speaker 4:I was like oh yeah, that part was sad.
Speaker 2:That was really sad.
Speaker 4:And I this was kind of sad. I was like, oh yeah that part was sad that was really sad and I know that miguel was like oh, I've been waiting for this, oh, I've been. I loved how much miguel. I loved him. He was her bodyguard yeah, um, and then.
Speaker 1:So then we get to kind of climax here. They take the kids from that guy and they're holding them ransom. And then Tiller tells Daisy and says I need your help with this. They have kids. And she's livid because this is one of her movies. Well, she doesn't believe it.
Speaker 4:Hell hath no fury. But then he's like to defend Julian, yeah.
Speaker 2:And then Tiller shows her all of this evidence, yeah, and she's like no, no, and then so they shows her all of this evidence.
Speaker 1:She's like no, no. And then so they go, because she can get in there better than Tiller can, I guess, and her logical solution is to shoot herself in the stomach so that way they can get the kids out, because everybody will rush to her versus.
Speaker 4:Girl. You got ten toes that you can sacrifice first and you're gonna shoot yourself in the gut. You got a leg with some muscles. You can go right like what. I know she's the doctor, not me, but yeah, I was appalled yeah.
Speaker 1:so then she's in the hospital and Romeo is there and he tells her that he hates her and he like leaves Right, which I was like.
Speaker 4:He leaves Bruh. Yeah, yeah, I'm like what an asshole.
Speaker 1:I hate you, daisy, and I'm like, oh my god, but like at the same time Yep. How would you feel?
Speaker 4:to be used for weeks. I would behave so poorly, yeah, I wouldn't even go see her.
Speaker 3:Are you kidding me? I was just going to say that I'd be like trying to see.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, I would. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:So then also this part was really sad. Julian and Daisy have a falling out.
Speaker 4:That made me so sad, because they betrayed each other. Like.
Speaker 1:Julian went against.
Speaker 4:You know, like her morals and like her standing, her two rules, you know.
Speaker 1:And then, Daisy helped tiller and got these kids out Like she's a traitor, and so this part was so heartbreaking. I don't remember what he says to her, but essentially like you want a normal life, good, you're out, don't ask me for anything, don't expect anything from me, like we're done.
Speaker 4:And I was like, oh my gosh, I just think like they don't have any other siblings.
Speaker 1:So to know that, like, not only is that your family yeah, and that's where it comes into, like the connection between julian and daisy is a lot more intense than christian and daisy, because I mean like that hit, like when he said that stuff to her, like that was hurtful and I was like oh no, like god damn.
Speaker 2:Yeah. She says I'm out, don't speak to me, don't call me, don't follow me, I don't want anything to do with you. Um, she says I don't need you. Yeah, oh yeah. And he says you don't have anyone else. I remind her, and I hate myself for it, I'd rather have no one than who you are. Now she spits All right, I give her a careless shrug you got it, daze. And then, yeah, he calls her a traitor. I don't want your protection, don't want your covering your time or your thoughts. Don't even worry about it. You won't have them, it's so sad.
Speaker 3:It was really.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that was hard I don't ever want to get in a fight with julian.
Speaker 2:I feel like he would make me ugly cry I wouldn't, though, because we like it's literally like just a few pages ago, that he was like pulling her out of the mud, if you will, yeah.
Speaker 4:Right, and it's not the first time.
Speaker 2:So just unraveled by everything going on with her and Christian blah blah blah, by everything going on with her and Christian blah blah blah. And this was the quote that I had written down that I loved from Julian, because he told her like you're my sister, you don't shy away from hard things. You're not scared of things that hurt you. You look them in the eye, you stare them down until they're on their knees and doing exactly what you want them to do. Yeah, like so, not maybe like 10, 15 pages before that he's empowering her. Yeah, and then to go from that to like all right, we're done.
Speaker 1:Yeah. He says here's your normal life, you're out and it's like yeah, so then Daisy does move out, and then Christian shows up at her door and then she finally admits that she loves him and he loves her. But she says, like I can't be a part of your life and you can't be a part of that life. Like this is never going to work and so I need you to not come back. And he says okay, didn't cry. Felt more emotion with Julian.
Speaker 4:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:I did too, me too. And then he leaves it as and then I didn't speak to her for 11 months and I was like huh, mm-hmm, or some months, a long time, yeah. And that's how that book ends.
Speaker 2:I know, yeah, and that's how that book ends, I know, oh, oh. Back to Magnolia's point of view, mm-hmm.
Speaker 4:Yay, if you read that.
Speaker 4:yeah, there's a couple of questions I have, because I've been like talking to Eric as I'm reading this and telling him, like, okay, remember what I said about that guy, bj? And he's like which one? And then I'm like, oh right, he's like, and then there was the fake boyfriend, right, and I was like, yeah, there was the fake boyfriend. So, anyway, we're getting, I'm getting through all these characters and I'm like so what are we gonna do? Like, when you start picking favorites and like you disagree with me, he goes I know I'm gonna have to pick this book up, like I'm gonna need to read it. So my phone has been listening, because phones do Well, now my For you page is starting to give me spoilers and so now I have questions for you.
Speaker 1:Oh no, so I'm not answering them until you read it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, don't feel bad, Susie, because Allie did the same thing with me. She was like yeah, no, you just need to read. Yeah, yeah, read it.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm. Okay, fan cast. Okay, let's go around the merry-go-round here, okay. So let's start with Daisy.
Speaker 4:Okay, I actually oh, no, yeah.
Speaker 2:Who do we want to go first? Does it matter? I don't care.
Speaker 4:Go for it. My pick for Daisy was Inanna Sarkis. I don't know if I picked her like pronounce that right and now I'll get a photo.
Speaker 1:I know exactly who it is.
Speaker 4:I was like I wonder if Kylie knows who this is.
Speaker 1:Oh, hello, she was in the after screen.
Speaker 4:She's so beautiful.
Speaker 2:She's gorgeous.
Speaker 4:I started following her and her husband on Instagram once.
Speaker 1:I realized who she is. I'm like Her husband is my Christian, so I almost casted her. Stop Instagram. Once I realized who she is, I'm like her husband is my Christian, so I almost casted her. I don't think they're actually married but they are in real life and they have a kid. I know they have a kid, but I don't know if they're married, unless they recently got married. Yeah, so that's my Christian. We have the same Christian. That was my OG Christian. I would like to say yeah, she yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I, I do. I love them excellent. Yeah, um, my daisy stayed the same. I'm still going for madison beer oh, just because I think she's like probably one of the most beautiful women like stunning, stupid, pretty unreal yeah who's that?
Speaker 3:did you want to go highly? Yeah, so for me, um, I kind of went a little left field with this. Um, just a smidge, I love it, daisy, I did.
Speaker 4:Karen knightley okay, choice, good choice.
Speaker 3:I don't I like that she's amazing and maybe it's because I watched piratesates of the Caribbean last night and I was like I love her.
Speaker 4:And she's sassy, so yeah, yeah Good choice.
Speaker 2:There you go. So I'm kind of torn. I was envisioning Emma Watson, believe it or not? Really, I think she could pull off a really good Daisy. Okay, if we're actually going with how Daisy's described though Priyanka Chopra. Okay, if we're actually going with how Daisy's described though Priyanka Chopra. Yeah, I really, really think.
Speaker 4:Yes.
Speaker 2:I think either of them have the acting chops to like pull off a phenomenal Daisy.
Speaker 4:Yep Good choice.
Speaker 2:Those would be my two choices.
Speaker 1:Ours is the same. Okay, let's get a face shot. No need, this is the same. Okay, let's get a face shot. I know these. This is the only thing I can find. That was hilarious. Oh, hello, who is?
Speaker 4:this, matthew, hang on Nazca.
Speaker 1:I'll grab his face, hold on, okay, okay, okay. It was so funny oh okay yeah, like that's Christian. Oh, I don't know, maybe I do like Christian okay.
Speaker 2:Allie, who's your Christian?
Speaker 3:um. So for me I did Jamie Bell. Allie, who's your Christian? So for me, I did Jamie Bell. He was in Rocketman. He played Bernie. This guy, oh yeah, that's blurred.
Speaker 4:Oh, okay, yeah, it worked for a minute and I got to see him. Okay, good choice.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, okay, I like it, I like it, I like it. How was my job? And then I? I was looking at nicholas holt good choice.
Speaker 4:I haven't thought about that in a long time okay, so did we wait.
Speaker 2:Okay. So, yeah, we said, our christians are daisies yeah, let's do it julian.
Speaker 1:Let's do, julian.
Speaker 2:Let's do, julian.
Speaker 4:Oh, we want to do Julian next. Okay, okay okay, yeah, okay, mine's Henry Cavill.
Speaker 1:I almost did him, but I don't like him as an individual.
Speaker 4:I know nothing about him. I know like literally I just know that he like played Superman one time or something. Right, okay, that's how much I know about him.
Speaker 1:No, that like played superman one time or something, right, yeah, okay, that's how much I know. No, that's a solid choice. Oh, so many people fan cast him. I almost did it. I will say that, but I like morally couldn't do it.
Speaker 2:So so who did you choose for julian?
Speaker 3:kylie, I chose aaron taylor johnson oh yes, okay, hello, hello, okay, hello, hello there.
Speaker 2:All right, All right. What about you, Allie?
Speaker 3:So I did Ben Barnes. He played the general in Shadow and Bone. Yeah, oh, okay, that's a good one.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, Okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was my pick.
Speaker 2:Very nice, and I picked Alex Pettifer.
Speaker 1:Oh yes, okay, I liked it. I liked it, pettifer, oh yes, okay, I like that. I like that, me too.
Speaker 2:I was like that just speaks Julian to me. In my opinion, yeah, romeo, romeo.
Speaker 4:Romeo, mine was Theo James. I love.
Speaker 2:Theo James. I love him. That's a good one, solid choice.
Speaker 4:In case anyone didn't know.
Speaker 2:Theo James 100%.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I liked him.
Speaker 1:I don't think you're gonna know who this is, but he is an actor. His name is Keith Powers and I think he's really good looking. I think he could also play the really sweet guy that. I think he's really good looking, but I think he could also play the really sweet guy that I think Romeo is very internally. I think he's very just sweet, but then he could also be like Romeo, yep.
Speaker 3:Okay, okay, I love it. I chose Joseph Morgan. He played Klaus in Vampire Diaries Excellent.
Speaker 4:Yum Vampire Diaries Excellent.
Speaker 1:Vampire Diaries Love.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, I love it. So my Romeo, daniel Kaluuya.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I like him a lot.
Speaker 2:Oh, I love him.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think he would make a really good Romeo.
Speaker 1:Yeah, did anybody do Tiller? No, did you do Tiller yeah? I should have probably I didn't officially, but I kind of pictured.
Speaker 4:Well, I think Chris Evans would be a great Tiller. Sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:I Well, I think Chris Evans would be a great Tiller. Sorry, I'm sorry, I am a Chris Evans ghillie. I.
Speaker 4:Fought it for a long time. He's like whatever ever. And then, most recently, I watched the new Deadpool Wolverine and I was like I get it, now it's cuz we're getting older.
Speaker 1:Wolverine and I was like I get it. Now it's because we're getting older, I get it, I yes, so maybe, maybe him as.
Speaker 4:Tiller, before I interrupted you, though, who was going to be your choice? Who's second? Oh, okay, that's why I did it. That's why you're so excited. I just thought you were like why didn't I think of that?
Speaker 1:I'm like, oh okay, it was kind of like an unofficial, subconscious fan cast. Oh my gosh. Okay. Final thoughts before we wrap up.
Speaker 4:I think I was too hard on this series.
Speaker 1:I think you just need to enjoy it, like enjoy the ride of it.
Speaker 4:Yep and now.
Speaker 2:And when you to that point, susie, when you adjust your expectations. So I feel like now two out of the five books down, I'm like, okay, I know what I'm getting myself into.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:No, you don't, and so I can keep those.
Speaker 4:No, you don't, Jordan. Based on the spoilers I saw, I am buckling myself in. Susie, they're not gonna confirm.
Speaker 3:I'm scared so I'm not confirming anything, because this, this series, it has been a wild ride. Like I said, I almost know a book four. I'm dreading going into book five because that's just going to be.
Speaker 1:I feel like a tough book, but yeah, I girls because oh I'm I'm buckling in, started book four so, but I I was kind of on the same page with alicia. I like slowed, I pulled back a little bit, like okay, yeah, we haven't even done the second book. So now I kind of have the green light to go ahead and I'm really excited for book four. Okay.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm grateful to be going on the ride with you guys. Yes, because I don't think I. I don't think I'd enjoy it as much, I agree, nope, I don't enjoy it as much, I agree, nope. She's like would I even be on this train if it wasn't for no?
Speaker 4:I would have been. I would have been a. I would have been, like what I don't know BJ's fourth. I don't know why I cheated on her, but I'm going to keep doing it where I would have been, like, all right, okay, we're done.
Speaker 3:No, I'm just saying because thing, because like, and then I never would have made it to this, like what I read. I don't read this, these types of books, so I'm thankful for this. You know that we get to do this because it's opened me up a lot and I'm I'm really, I'm really excited to do this.
Speaker 4:So thank you for spending another day with us and doing this because this is so much fun. We look forward to this. I'm so excited.
Speaker 2:Yes, it'll be great to see where book three takes us.
Speaker 1:Yeah and we have this train in motion. So we did take quite a long break between book one and book two, but now we're in sync, now we're in motion, we are. Things have slowed down a little bit so we can schedule. Yes, I love it. I love it. I love it, slowed down a little bit so we can thank you. Thank, like you're finishing each other's Sandwiches Sentences, I love it. Okay, alrighty, thank you everyone for joining us and we'll see you next time. Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, Bye, bye, bye, bye.
